I regret nothing. Say what you want.

Edit: I just saw the two typos. If you find them, you’re welcome to keep them.

  • AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space
    761·
    4 days ago

    I genuinely do a lot of coding in Kate, the standard KDE editor. It’s enough to do a lot of things, has highlighting, and is more than enough when you just need a quick fix.

    I am also still using nano when editing stuff in the terminal. Please, don’t judge me.

    • Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      42·
      4 days ago

      To be fair, Kate isn’t just a text editor, it actually is an IDE. The text editor version would be kwrite, which would be horrible to program in.

    • mmddmm@lemm.ee
      11·
      4 days ago

      Yep, I came here to say that Kate is really nice. Even though I’m an emacs user and won’t use it.

      Nano, on the other hand, can’t do almost anything, so I can’t recommend that people make heavy use of it. It’s ok for random small edits, but that’s it. (By the way, YSK that you can set your terminal to use Kate as the default editor by setting the $EDITOR variable.)

    • SatyrSack@feddit.orgEnglish
      9·
      4 days ago

      KWrite is the standard text editor. Kate is the advanced one. The name actually literally stands for “KDE Advanced Text Editor”

        • SatyrSack@feddit.orgEnglish
          5·
          7 hours ago

          Huh, I did not know that any didn’t. I just tried a bunch, and here is a quick breakdown of what was preinstalled on each:

          Distro Kate KWrite
          Bazzite true true
          Debian true true
          Fedora false true
          KDE Neon true false
          Kubuntu true false
          Manjaro true true
          openSUSE true false
          SteamOS true true
          • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            4 days ago

            Well, I can throw in another for free:

            distro Kate kwrite
            openSUSE true false

            But yeah, interesting list. These days, KWrite is basically just Kate with different configuration, if I understand correctly, so it always feels like you might as well go with Kate. In my opinion, KWrite is also not particularly easier to use, since basic editing works the same, but I guess, that can be disagreed on.

            I do like that Kate is pre-installed. Imagine Windows, but rather than notepad.exe, you get Notepad++ out of the box. Now imagine that to also be a whole lot better and then that’s what it feels like to have Kate on fresh installations.
            You can just start coding something right away, without it being necessary to install a different editor.

    • AnAmericanPotato@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      Geany is a nice GUI option. It’s a bit more capable but still lean.

      It’s probably time for me to re-evaluate the host of coding editors out there. For the most part I just use good text editors. Though I do love Spyder, I only use it for a certain subset of tasks.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
      2·
      4 days ago

      Me too. I’m still not sure what the problem is and I’m kind of afraid to ask.

      I do have the plugin for multi-line editing set up, I guess.

  • Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de
    12·
    4 days ago

    And then there is a colleague who programs in Notepad++ directly on the test server and then just copies his code to prod.

    (yes, he works alone on that project)

  • killeronthecorner@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    3 days ago

    I coded several of my early mobile app releases entirely in gedit. Good times.

    I sometimes forget how good we have it now. I wrote those apps around 2012 and the DX for the platforms was basically non-existent. Virtually every platform had shit documentation, shit version management, a shit IDE with minimal refactoring features, a shitty debugging experience, and everything felt like it was being botched together by 3 guys in their spare time.

    It’s incredible now that we have things like hot reloading. You can literally save a change and BAM it’s on the screen seconds later. On native platforms no less. Astounding.

  • TinyRhino@lemm.ee
    30·
    4 days ago

    If you’re not writing it all down on paper and then punching holes in cards, you’re doing it all wrong

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 days ago

    what? gedit is awesome. it has good code highlighting and thats what we need right?

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      I used to copy code into nano over ssh. Then I randomly tried pasting the server address in my file browser and it connected over SFTP. This was ages ago. I was using Crunchbang Linux, maybe around 2011 or so.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 days ago

      I recommend “micro” which is like Nano but uses modern shortcuts. Making it a terminal editor which feels more like using notepad than something esoteric.

  • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
    245·
    4 days ago

    Vim and emacs are text editors.

    Vs code is a code editor (but really it’s also just a text editor)

    Maybe they mean IDEs like visual studio?

    I’ve never really heard it called a coding GUI before.

    • barsoap@lemm.ee
      4·
      4 days ago

      So an IDE is a code editor that ships with an LSP server, not just an LSP interface? (Doesn’t have to be LSP as such but “stuff that an LSP server does”).

      • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
        6·
        4 days ago

        I would say that an IDE is something that includes build/run tools integrated into it. Everything else is just a text editor. (But that’s just my opinion of course)

        To expand on my point, I don’t think it makes sense to call vs code an integrated development environment if it doesn’t actually have the environment integrated.

        Visual studio and idea would be examples of IDEs, they actually have all of the tools and frameworks needed to run the languages they were built for out of the box.

        You can’t run node or python out of the box with just vs code for example, without their respective tooling, all vscode can do is edit the code and editing code is not functionally different from editing any other text.

        So I maintain that both vim and vscode are text editors and not IDEs

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          2·
          4 days ago

          I’d say build and run tools are pretty integrated into vim. Type :mak and there you go, it’s not like vs studio would be a single process either.

      • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        My understanding has always been:

        • Text Editor: just writes text, no formatting (other than line endings)

        • Code Editor: A family Text Editors that have additional capabilities such as syntax highlighting. And optionally a plugin or extension ecosystem. (VSCode, vim family, Emacs, even gedit )

        • IDE: An application that includes Code Editor functionality, but also includes tools for a building on given tech stack. This comes out of the box, are a “part of” the application, are peers to the code editor, and cannot be removed, but can optionally be extended through plugins or extensions.

      • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
        21·
        4 days ago

        For me a web app IDE includes a DB manger, HTML previewer, etc.

        A text editor edits text, an IDE is an Environment that Integrates Development tools.

    • d00ery@lemmy.world
      21·
      4 days ago

      Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.

      A GUI IDE like vscode or pycharm has mouse driven menus and buttons, although of course it’s possible to use keyboard commands.

      That to me is the difference. Personally, I use vim mod with pycharm and some messy hybrid combination of vim commands and ctrl + ?

      • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 days ago

        Vs code has no integrated environment though, it’s just a text editor that supports plugins, you still need to install python or node or .net or Java or gcc, etc.

        As far as vim requiring keyboard commands, that’s really only the case if you leave mouse mode off

        set mouse=a

        And of course, to muddy the water further, we have tools like https://helix-editor.com/ which, more closely approximate vs code, while happening to live in a terminal.

        I maintain that in order to qualify as an IDE and not a glorified text editor, you must be able to, out of the box, without external dependencies, run and build the code it was built for (idea/visual studio) otherwise it’s not very integrated, and I don’t think you need to have nice graphics for that qualification.

        • d00ery@lemmy.world
          2·
          4 days ago

          Interesting, I didn’t know that about VSCode.I’ve used it briefly and I must have always installed some default plugins to make it work with python!

          The only query I’d have on that definition of IDE is that they all require an external compiler or JIT interpreter to execute code, because the versions of the compilers changes so frequently it’d be crazy to release an ‘all included’ IDE. (The old MS Visual Basic is an example of ‘all included’)

          But yeah, pycharm or phpstorm are “ready to run” bar the code compiler or interpreter, I don’t have to open a terminal or something to run code I’ve written.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          3 days ago

          Guy this is just semantics.

          If you want to uphold a specific definition of what constitutes an IDE that’s fine, but what does it matter if others consider plugins to be integration.

      • Shareni@programming.dev
        1·
        3 days ago

        Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.

        It is most certainly not usual to run Emacs in the terminal.

        although of course it’s possible to use keyboard commands.

        And you can use Emacs with a mouse.

    • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 days ago

      Vim (and NeoVim) are as much coding environments as VS or JetBrains. The difference is in the defaults.

    • Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com
      7·
      4 days ago

      This feels a little bit like Brainfuck tbh.

      For what it’s worth, I can think of one thing that would make brainfuck even worse: Instead of using 8 arbitrary characters (it only uses > < + - . , ] and [ for every instruction) for the coding, use the 8 most common letters of the alphabet. Since it ignores all other characters, all of your comments would need to be done without those 8 letters.

      For example, “Hello World” in brainfuck is the following:

      ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.

      If we instead transposed those 8 instructions onto the 8 most common letters of the alphabet, it would look more like this:

      eeeeeeeeaneeeeaneeneeeneeenesssstonenentnneasostonnIntttIeeeeeeeIIeeeInnIstIsIeeeIttttttIttttttttInneIneeI
    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
      2·
      4 days ago

      This is such a waste of time to the point where it infuriates me. I know the standard answer is “why not?”, but it’s just cringe to, like you are trying too hard to purposely be stupid, whereas with standard text editor you can say already they cba’ed to install anything so it was a case of initial setup vs. long term productivity.

  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
    11·
    4 days ago

    At uni I did a lot of my Java coursework in notepad, then I’d have to take it into a computer lab on a floppy, tar it and upload it to a unix terminal so it could be emailed to the professor. Java syntax with only the command line compiler is not fun.