There seem to be some people on Lemmy who genuinely believe that they are an animal. They say they are an “unperson” or discuss conversing with “animals” who “happen to be born in human bodies”. They see their struggle as on par with the struggle for trans people, and their right to be recognized as animals as a part of a broader societal struggle for queer acceptance.
Well, this is fucking stupid.
First of all, comparing “I’m a puppy uWu” to gender dysphoria trivializes what trans people go through. Furries are not struggling like trans people. They are simply mocking trans people (whether that mockery is intentional or not is besides the point).
Second of all, you’re not a fucking animal bro ffs. Being an animal isn’t a state of mind. It isn’t a vibe. It isn’t a social construct. It isn’t something you’re assigned at birth. It’s about DNA. You have 50% of DNA from a human mom, and 50% of your DNA from a human dad, so you have 100% human DNA (granted maybe you have like 0.1% Neanderthal DNA but whatever). So you’re a human. This shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp.
If you can speak a human language, and have the mental wherewithal required to use the internet, then you have a HUMAN MIND. And if you “just so happen to be born in a human body” then you have a HUMAN BODY. HUMAN MIND + HUMAN BODY = HUMAN. IT’S ALL HUMAN. YOU ARE HUMAN. Just because you have a bestiality fetish does not make you a fucking bobcat ffs
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I applaud your appeal to rationality.
But most human believe in God. Rationality is beyond our grasp. We’re fucked.
So, I’m just throwin’ it out because I dont feel it’s shown in the post a whole lot. Most furries are not like that. I’m pretty deep in the fandom, the ‘head’ of several communities, and hangout in it all the time. Throughout all that, I can count on one hand, the number of individuals I directly interacted with who associated with those thoughts.
I ain’t gonna go in depth on the whole therian part, moreso just that furries as a whole aren’t individuals who see themselves as animals.
“There seem to be some people on Lemmy who genuinely believe that they are an animal.”
Well, taxonomically speaking…
Really appreciate op making the sacrifice so that everyone can Unite and explain so much about the furry culture and its sub cultures. I legit didn’t know some of these details. Very educational and fascinating.
It’s weird, but not something I really care about or would judge someone on, tbh.
It’s weird. If people were just being weird by themselves, that would barely worth any comment. But when people co-opt the language of social justice to justify their weirdness, and accuse you of being a bad person for not going along with it, then things have gone too far
Furries don’t believe they’re animals. You’re possibly confusing furries with therians. There’s some overlap, but they’re ultimately different groups and the latter are the ones that believe they’re the animal in question. If you’re going to object to a thing, the least you could do is get your facts straight beforehand.
Please forgive me for not doing in-depth research on the subtleties of furry culture
You talk in other comments how hard you have to track them down.
You spit out a 4 paragraph diatribe against furries and were off the mark because you couldn’t be bothered to do the research, then got upset when you got called out on it. Do the work, show the receipts, otherwise you’re just a blowhard, and no one likes a blowhard.
Sorry for having better things to do with my time then do research into the precise academic terms people with bestiality fetishes use to refer to themselves with. In everyday speech these people are “furries”. No one knows what the fuck an “other kin” or “theradian” or whatever is. Let’s speak English here bud
But see, you had the time to write up a hate pieice on something you didn’t understand. Kinda makes you the asshole.
If I’m the asshole for pointing out that its stupid to literally think you are a zebra, then sure. Guess I’m an asshole
Correct. Glad we cleared that up.
Anyway, welcome to Lemmy. Hopefully you’ll learn to check that Reddit attitude at the door and be more positive in your future posts.
The internet doesn’t need to be a negative and confrontational place. It can be fun and diverse at the same time.
It can be fun and diverse at the same time.
Your idea of “fun and diverse” is enabling people with psychotic delusions by telling them that, yes, they actually are a zebra after all, when what you should be doing is encouraging them to see a psychiatrist
It makes you an asshole for thinking they think of themselves as zebras, which is incorrect. And you keep refusing to accept otherwise. So yeah, YTA
You mean like bitching about things you’re clueless about?
Just making sure my notes are accurate, here.
It would have been a better use of your time to not be mad about what other people do with their lives, but I will absolutely commend you on your work sharing an unpopular opinion. No sarcasm. I honestly think you would be better served by spending your time learning not to care about other people and instead focused on bettering yours, but I also appreciate you using the space as intended.
I mean, you didn’t have anything better to do than post here.
I mean if you’re going to dislike something you should probably know what it is.
No one knows what the fuck a “therian” or “otherkin” is. People do not use these terms unless they are already a furry. Everyone outside of the community just uses the word “furry”. Is that less precise? Sure. But I’m not here to use technical jargon invented by a bestiality-centred internet community. Speak English
“everyone outside of the community just uses the word furry”
“Everyone I talked to says asians look all the same, so do I”
“People do not use these terms unless they are already a furry”
“People don’t understand what all these LGBT letters mean unless they’re already gay”
"I’m not here to use technical jargon invented by a bestiality-centered internet community. Speak English "
“I’m not here to use words invented by a pedophilia-centered community, you gays are all pedos, I am here to remind you of my superiority and any attempts at educating me are futile because I don’t need to learn anything new, I’m not ignorant at all. Speak English”
So I think it’s dumb for someone to think that they are literally a dog. And in your mind this is comparable to racism and homophobia? Get a life
Your reasoning is comparable to the reasoning behind racism and homophobia, because you are using misinformation as a basis for prejudice.
Being a hater of anyone with a non-human alter ego isn’t comparable in terms of harm and moral severity to racism and homophobia, if that’s what worries you.
Throwing a crumpled piece of paper at someone else isn’t comparable to someone throwing a rock or a grenade at someone else, if your only metric is damage. In both cases the person throwing is an aggressor though. Different scale, same mechanism.
Those are English words. They are used in conversations held in English, between people who speak English. That’s how language works. People come up with words to signify things that didn’t have words before.
It’s jargon. No one uses those words who isn’t already a furry
I’m not a furry, and I use them and know what they mean. There you go, disproven.
You are an outlier
Yeah, because if you don’t know something then clearly nobody on earth could know.
You should really reflect on why you’re so dead set on hating a group you know next to nothing about.
Do you honestly think the average person knows furry technical jargon? Touch some grass
You’re arguing on LEMMY dude. You’re a statistically insignificant outlier already. And an asshole.
You’re a statistically insignificant outlier already. And an asshole
Well you seem to want to opine like you know what you’re talking about; so don’t be surprised when you get called out when it turns out that you don’t and you’re just doing main-character bigoted shit
I mean, I don’t blame you for not doing so… but your opinion is rather aggressive for being admittedly ignorant.
Most Furries are just folks in a subculture that formed around a fetish. Not really that different from the BDSM community in that regards. And, just like how in that subculture no one thinks they really are ‘masters and slaves’ and mean no disrespect towards actual enslaved people, Furries don’t actually believe they are ‘animals with species disphoria’ and mean no disrespect towards people with gender disphoria.
If they’re consenting adults and aren’t hurting anyone, then like, who cares who and how they fuck?
What do you want me to do? If I had titled this “The whole therians thing is stupid” then no one would know what the hell I was talking about, because no one knows these terms who isn’t already a furry
I don’t really want you to do anything. Hate whoever you want, do so for whatever reason you like, idgaf, I’m not your therapist.
Just don’t be surprised when folks inform you that you are kind of talking out of your ass. This is the internet you know?
Fair enough
You don’t have to change the title. If you think being a furry is stupid, fine, that’s your opinion and you have the right to that opinion. It’s very hard to argue with that.
But you didn’t stop at “I think furry is stupid”. You went on to explain why it is stupid, from your understanding, and it so happens that your understanding is very poor, therefore it exposes your motivation as hate based on prejudice.
“I think this thing is stupid” is okay. “I think this thing is stupid because I don’t understand it, I don’t want to understand it, and I don’t want to acknowledge I don’t understand it” is very different.
“I think this thing is stupid because I don’t understand it, I don’t want to understand it, and I don’t want to acknowledge I don’t understand it” is very different.
And ironically enough, that attitude is, itself, stupid.
You have GOT to worry less about people pretending and hurting no one when there is actual shit happening in the world.
If you’re trying to say they’re a troll, this meme template implies the opposite
Why do people find it so hard to believe that someone could take issue with trans-speciesism? Have you guys ever talked to someone irl before? Judging by the downvotes this is an unpopular opinion here, but 99.99% of the human population would agree with me about this
It hasn’t been studied enough to be able to conclude species dysphoria is bullshit. The human brain is fucking gnarly, tho. Ignoring the possibility is more insane than assuming a human might have a mental disorder that gives them a sense of dysphoria not having fur and a tail.
The engagement bait works wonderfully
As a trans woman, who cares? Honestly, like, literally what difference does it make in your life if someone strongly associates themselves with pictures they draw of animals or wears a custom mascot outfit or whatever?
I don’t think furries are remotely equivalent to trans folks or any kind of queer identity, except for one single and notable element. That being the inability of others to mind their own damn business when it comes to them.
Like seriously, the thought process that leads to posts like this is the similarity. The need to police others and write rambling screeds demonizing people who aren’t doing anything that has any impact on their lives very much reminds me of the kind of people who spend their days freaking out about where I pee or what I’ve got under my skirt.
I would urge you to think about the impulse that made you want to make a post like this. What is it about strangers being a bit odd that makes you want to make a fuss about it? Because you may have decided that queer folks aren’t on that list, which is great, but clearly there is still a list. Why? Where does the list come from? What makes it make your brain itch enough to scratch it?
We’re in the middle of an upswing in dangerous and violent authoritarianism. People are being literally blown up in droves, the Gulf Stream is in danger of collapsing, and there are megalomaniacs in charge of some of the most significant human institutions on the planet. Why are you being distracted by people who draw silly cartoons of themselves and spend too much money on fursuits?
Because I guarantee that impulse is closer to the people who would love to see me off myself than you were thinking when you made this post.
It seems more like you’re describing a specific subset of furry called a therian.
But also: Where have you even encountered therians on Lemmy? Even the therian communities here are pretty dead.
They went extinct?
Where have you even encountered therians on Lemmy?
In this very comment section, for example
I do not see a single therian in the comments actually
There is at least one. If you read enough comments you’ll find them eventually. I think it would probably be inappropriate to single them out specifically though so I won’t do that
oh hell here comes the fun police
if anything will make me reconsider my position it’s being called the fun police
congratulation
Where are you seeing this and why are you not ignoring it?
“The furry bdsm crowd ruined the adults only furry event and now my gf thinks im wierd”
That it is based on a story I read but it also reads like a anime title nowadays 🤣
IKR, I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I’ve bumped into furries online or in real life and I’m no hermit in either domain.
Not that I would care if I did, but this is a very Facebook-like, ‘I heard about a thing that doesnt impact me in any way or form, but it’s different and strange to me and that makes me extremely angry’.
it’s dumb but what can we do? furries control 99% of all digital infrastructure, mess with them at your peril
It’s endlessly both amusing and psychologically fascinating how you’re seemingly getting progressively more and more angry while just sharing your opinion before anyone has even had time to engage with you. It’s an objective fact that strong emotions cloud people’s judgment, so I can only wonder what it is that’s actually making you feel so emotional about it.
Clearly you’re not just a passive, distant observer to this but you’re somehow emotionally invested in it as well. It’s not really that I necessarily even entirely disagree with what I believe you’re saying - it’s just the way you’re saying it that makes me a bit suspicious about what’s really going on in the back of your head, whether it’s conscious or not.
It’s a cliché, but I feel like more often than not this kind of strong reaction to something that in no way affects your own life probably tells more about yourself than it does about other people or about what’s true in the world. I’m not sure whether you’re trying to convince us or yourself.
Edit: Okay, I read your other responses and I see what’s going on here. Bye.
its as legitamate as anything else and like anything it has a wide variation in how the people in the subculture view things. Im fine with people doing their thing as long as it does not hurt anyone else and they should not face discrimination but also not get exess. I don’t see why someone who gets leopord spots put all over their body and surgically made fangs and claws with some hair weave is not going to feel as every bit the animal they want to be as a man surgically being made to emulate female parts or vice versa. Its for them to be who they are and likely share in their community. Do I think they are what they think they are. no. but why does that matter. In other words live and let live.
