• Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.ukEnglish
    1032·
    5 months ago

    I hate how much copaganda they shove at kids. Yesterday mine said his dream job was to be a cop, so he could chase bank robbers. After deliberately not saying six terrible things(a medium length pause), I just asked, “have you ever seen a cop actually do that?” and left it at that.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      25·
      5 months ago

      I’m pretty explicit with my kids about how terrible the cops are. I’ve told them about Rodney King, about George Floyd, how cops lie to trick people into confessing, how they don’t face consequences for their own crimes. Don’t talk to cops, don’t invite them in. Stranger danger x10. If my kids get lost in a public place, they’re supposed to look for a mom with kids. No Paw Patrol in this house.

      I don’t want them to become victims today or to grow up to be murderers tomorrow. They need to know and I’m not going to make them guess.

      • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        5 months ago

        Yours is great, I always thought the best would be to look for parents with kids that look comfortable.

        Then you know the kids feel safe with their parents, and the parents don’t want to suddenly pick up someone else’s kid, though know how to care for it until they find their parents.

    • Zombie@feddit.ukEnglish
      37·
      5 months ago

      Fuck. Something just clicked in my head. So it seems to be that many homophobes are closeted homosexual, denying it to themselves or whatever.

      In their mind, is being gay a choice because they themselves have chosen to repress it, to pretend to be straight? Sometimes for years, decades, or their entire lives! Therefore, by that logic, that’s why they don’t seem to understand when called out for making shitty choices, because “the gays” have also made shitty choices (in their view).

      Does that make sense or am I speaking bollocks?

        • i_love_FFT@jlai.luEnglish
          3·
          5 months ago

          The other option is men who fear being treated by gays the way they themselves treat women.

      • hayvan@piefed.worldEnglish
        18·
        5 months ago

        No that’s exactly how it works, how most outspoken homophobes are closeted. They see gay sex as giving in to the sinful urge everyone totally has.

      • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        16·
        5 months ago

        I would even go so far as to say that quite a lot of them are bi, and when they notice that they are indeed attracted to their own gender, they can truthfully say to themselves “see? I can actually chose to be attracted to the other gender!”

      • reddit_sux@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        5 months ago

        Thats an innovative way to look at it so next time someone gives that line, “… you can chose not to be gay…” I am going to ask how do you know have you done it?

      • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        5 months ago

        Internalised homophobia is a strong drug.

        I never was one, but used to fight the urge for my queerself to liberate, by fitnessing a lot and doing hobbies counterstereotypical to the gender I felt deep down. But that eventually made me a bit more miserable.

        I think that somewhere in there, others decide their misery must be what others also have, and they hate seeing it, and so project their own self-hatred upon others. Luckily I skipped that train, and now I’m feeling much better.

    • theolodis@feddit.orgEnglish
      12·
      5 months ago

      So there are no straight transpersons?

      I think we should probably be something like

      Only one of {homo; hetero; pan; cop} and one of {cis; trans; nonbinary; cop}

      But we can make it simpler by restricting it to {decent human being; cop}

    • arrow74@lemmy.zipEnglish
      9·
      5 months ago

      I’d say arrest your colleagues when they commit crimes, but the department would fire you then either murder you or run you out of town with constant threats and harassment

    • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      21·
      5 months ago

      I’d rather not. Reform them into builders, carpenters, engineers, plumbers, and miners instead. Those who do care about others should be social workers, doctors, and lawyers.

      • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        5 months ago

        ah, that’s an interesting distinction - Black folks cannot avoid their fate as Black, but cops absolutely can choose a different profession.

        In the past I have often wondered about the way the police profession preys on poor people (much like how recruitment of soldiers targets the most poor and desperate), and so historically I’ve favored a view that sees the process of becoming a police officer as at least somewhat coercive - there are economic factors that are coercive, but also a hegemonic culture of recruitment and indoctrination that is relevant to why the least educated and privileged among us become cops. That indoctrination does lead those people to become class traitors, but I also think within the same context, some people choose to take a different path - so I don’t see that system of coercion as total in the sense that cops don’t have any relevant choice or moral responsibility.

        Regardless, it’s categorically different than being an oppressed minority, targeted based on fixed, biological traits.

    • stormeuh@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      5 months ago

      And even if gender or orientation was a choice (not implying that it is), it would be a choice that is infinitely less harmful to the people around you.

      • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        sure, maybe - conservatives tend to overreact to news about gay and trans and I’m not entirely willing to say what they experience is not a kind of harm (even if we aren’t sympathetic to their feelings), but this theoretical exercise is pointless since being gay and trans are biological and genetic conditions that can’t be altered - you’re stuck with your gender identity and sexual orientation.

  • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    6·
    5 months ago

    So sad because as a kid I said to someone I might want to be a cop to try and help people and they were like uhhh that’s basically what people who didn’t finish high-school do. Little did I know that would be better than what we have now…

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    21·
    5 months ago

    What if they did in a country that holds them to a higher standard?

    • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPMEnglish
      3·
      5 months ago

      Nah, they’re mostly a continuation of feudal knights who protected the property of their lords. Police simply crowdfund that protection of property to all land owners and the government. They’re necessary to a capitalist state, not to reigning in abuse. The people who do the most harm are often protected by the police rather than punished. The few good things police occasionally do are usually not their main job and would be better handled by nonviolent workers.

  • Azrael@reddthat.comEnglish
    312·
    5 months ago

    Yeah you know what, let’s just abolish law enforcement all together. I’m sure nothing bad will come of it.

    • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPMEnglish
      16·
      5 months ago

      The only bad that could come from it would be violent thugs beating the population into submission so business interests can exploit the people unabated. Oh wait…

    • for_some_delta@beehaw.orgEnglish
      11·
      5 months ago

      Why trust the state with violence?

      Law enforcement does not prevent violence. Uvalde and other school shootings are examples of late violent responses. Armed suspects scare law enforcement. Law enforcement is incapable of doing violence to protect the unarmed.

      A better alternative is to arm and train community members. We keep us safe.

      • Azrael@reddthat.comEnglish
        31·
        5 months ago

        Then I guess you’re just choosing to ignore other countries which actually hold their police force to higher standards. You know, requiring actual training and holding officers accountable for their actions. Or are we strictly talking about the US here?

    • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      3·
      5 months ago

      State ≠ law enforcement

      A state is a centralised, often highly stratified entity with a monopoly of violence.

      When we say, “abolish the state”, what we mean is that:

      • we demand devolution
      • we demand liberation and equity
      • we demand the abolition of capitalism
      • we push against terrorist cops bombing people

      Rules can be made without a centralised, segregated institution that wants to defend either of those by violence on the commoners.

  • Birds are not real@lemmy.worldEnglish
    221·
    5 months ago

    I personally would object to my boy being gay but also if my daughter was straight. I just don’t like the mental image of penises around my kids.

    Vaginas are alright tho, they don’t enter you forcefully and lay eggs inside like some weird alien, not to be taken seriously tho since I’m also a queer man so yeah…