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LPT: good cops are actually hired every year, in a specific date. Bastards in the other days.
That date is the 30th of February, by the way.
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half!
Wait wasn’t there a year where they had to add two leap days or was that two leap seconds
No such thing as far as I know.
oh wait i know what i was thinking
Not sure if this cross-posted correctly or not, but come join us at !acab@quokk.au if you want an anti-police community that’s not moderated by the notorious JordanLund! 😊
Oh, so now the tolerant left hates an equitable workplace? /s
It’s okay to say they’re better off dead, this is what they do to Fred Hampton’s grave.
For fuck’s sake was killing him not enough?
I know it wasn’t, and it won’t be for them either.
Dr. Seuss got kinda dark in the later days
Honest question, what is acab about? Because in my mind you need someone to upkeep the law otherwise how do you deal with criminals? I’m probably just naive I suppose.
A good cop wouldn’t tolerate the kind of systemic abuse you see in the states, and as a result, would be fired as the institution protects the abusers. All thats left is bastards
But surely, if every good cop quits - leaving only bad cops in the police - that’s not a desirable result, is it? Shouldn’t good cops try to find ways to make all the bad cops quit, ultimately leading to a police that we could actually call good?
the american police system is sufficiently rotten that there’s no realistic way to fix it, it needs to be completely dismantled and remade from the ground up.
If all good cops quit it would barely even be noticed.
The problem with the police system in the USA is that it exists to protect capital, not to protect the people. The purpose of the police, as it currently exists, is to keep the lower classes in line. This is why the rich get away with most things. Even if a billionaire does get pulled over for speeding the fine isn’t even 1% of their income. More likely they won’t even be punished at all. Most people who genuinely want to help others either leave or get pushed out once they realize they’re only hurting the little guys. When people say acab or defund the police, they’re not saying that we shouldn’t have anyone to call, but they’re saying that we have to completely rebuild that necessary service. We need to take a completely different approach. Rather than sending in officers armed to the teeth into neighborhoods and communities they’re not a part of, we need to send people trained in de-escalation to their own communities (so that they’re actually invested in the well-being of their own community). Obviously there will be times when force is necessary, but the majority of the time, police officers don’t need a gun to give someone a speeding ticket or respond to a noise complaint. Also there’s a severe lack of accountability and punishment for bad cops which just encourages them to keep being bad and get worse, which is part of why we have such widespread, blatant corruption and police gangs
Tl;dr it’s a systemic issue that rewards bad behavior so good people either leave on their own or get forced out bc the system itself is rotten
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Hahahaha…sorry, a bit callous. Bad cops take power through all kinds of abuse and ganging up to bully good cops. Good cops have to deal with having empathy and the desire to avoid violence and the like so they have a harder time and the population themselves vote for center or right-wing candidates that install corrupt officials into high offices.
It’s not desireable for the people but for cops and the owner class it works out pretty fucking well. It doesn’t even work well to deal with crime but since most of that crime ends up being poor-on-poor the owner class still doesn’t give a shit. They get an army of morally bankrupt thugs and their neighbourhoods and crimes get protected so what do they care in the end?
I do not mean to insult but your comment reads like my dad voting conservative to lower taxes on the rich because he actually believes in trickle-down economics. He genuinely thinks CEOs and shareholders care about him, which is nice in a “oh he’s sweet but kinda stupid” sorta way. These people don’t care about what’s best for everyone, they care about what is best for them and as long as the system doesn’t fully crumble within their lifetimes they could not give a fuck.
I don’t want to imply that older systems were superior, just wanted to point out historical alternatives. Saying this beforehand because I noticed that the way I talk makes people think I’m endorsing stuff I’m not.
For most of human history there was no such thing as an institutionalized state police force, and yet law and order existed for millennia. To over simplify, you would have multiple powers that would try to mediate (or fight). As an example, in medieval Europe you’d have a local lord, guilds and the church, all with some form of guards to represent their interests. And you as an individual would likely belong to such a community. Also specifically the church would go out of its way to mediate problems of other people and prevent issues before they arise, both as community building and power projection (obviously).
The police of today are mainly here to protect property and maintain the status quo, they try to act like mediators, but in such conflicts they mainly come to pacify you so someone else can handle you. Personally my main issue is that we pretend like they’re much more than a civil suppression force. Like for some reason cops are still the main way states handle suicidal people, like jesus christ…
guards implemented today to represent interests would most definitely be from mega corporations, or whoever paid the most money. I would much rather have the government enforce laws than that.
Well, police is a force of mega corporations. In a corrupted landscape, there is no difference.
Well, directly is worse than indirectly
Yup, hence the disclaimer :)
I was mainly trying to point out that completely different systems are possible and that we today are COMPLETELY lacking any kind of peaceful mediation and prevention efforts or rather, to be more precise, such efforts are being actively attacked by people claiming personal responsibility (and usually advocating for more guns and or police too…).
But the state realizes we need SOMETHING, so it just sends in people with rifles who have the right to spontaneously and severely mess up your life or even murder you in cold blood with minimal consequences if any. The amount of times in the US a 911 caller got shot themselves almost immediately after the cop’s arrival always sends chills down my spine. Cops are trained to prioritize their own absolute safety over anything else, which includes the victim’s safety. They are not here to serve or protect us.
If I’m ever in a situation that would require more than just filing a report, I’m not calling the cops simply for my own survival. I would need to be in a situation with an active shooter to even consider calling the cops, where the presence of another shooter acting as a soldier wouldn’t decrease my survival rate.
Your concerns are valid to some extent but I think these instances, while awful, happen much less often than you make them seem
Police officers are frequently held to lower standards and allowed to commit abuses with impunity; any police officer who joins that system and isn’t dedicated to police reform is just an agent of the system who should be assumed to be okay with the abuses.
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I very much disagree, but I also don’t live in the USA. I think this is USA-specific. I hope.
German cops can be bastards as well, but at least they won’t “accidentally” shoot you.
I’m Australian so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The UK police has me pretty freaked out lately too.
Shouldn’t a “gay cop” be much kinkier?
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Shouldn’t a “straight cop” be beating his wife?
So a good cop should quit instead of turning in the bad cops? Which would effectively just be ignoring the problem and solve nothing.
One might wonder where all the supposed good cops reporting bad cops are then? 🧐
Few and far between, admittedly.
Doesn’t that seem like maybe there aren’t actually any good cops currently on the force?
No. And I’ll explain— I personally know a few good cops that have made reports against cops for breaking their oath. Two of which were excessive use of force. Do you know where those reports went? Straight to the trash because the “bad cop” knew more of the higher ups than the good cop that reported them. So what is the good cop supposed to do then? It takes way more than just one or two good cops reporting the bad ones. The people above them have to take the reports seriously. And I think that’s where the good cop credibility gets tossed out the window.
What are your honest thoughts on this? Id love for this to be an actual conversation and not a pissing argument of going back and forth.
I know a few cops too.
The problem with ‘good cop’ logic is that after a while it becomes a distinction without a difference because of what you just described. Eventually the system grinds them down and they either quit or accept it for what it is.
So maybe the more accurate sentiment would be “cops either quit with their principles intact or fall in line because the system doesn’t allow ‘good cops’ to stay that way” but it’s a little bit clunkier than the shorthand.
My father is a cop, hes also a fascist pig (not that those two things contradict).
I would say that’s pretty spot on actually.
That still means ACAB is true. They either quit (no longer a cop) or they become a bastard. “Good” cops that haven’t reached either of those outcomes yet are just Schrödinger’s Cop.
There’s no such thing as a good cop that contributes to maintaining the current status quo, and if you’re on the force, then that’s what you’re doing. Including very simply by being tools for people to point too and say “look, good cops exist” which is what you seem to be doing here.
And that’s where this conversation will end. Because you seem to be of the mindset that all cops are bad no matter what. Good day to you.
Yes, I believe that ACAB is true, I thought as much was obvious. Have a good day though! 💜
Do you think there is ever a situation where a Nazi is a good person?
Do you know where those reports went? Straight to the trash because the “bad cop” knew more of the higher ups than the good cop that reported them. So what is the good cop supposed to do then? It takes way more than just one or two good cops reporting the bad ones. The people above them have to take the reports seriously. And I think that’s where the good cop credibility gets tossed out the window.
It seems like you understand that your argument does more to hurt your point than help it. That story is exactly why people say ACAB because even the “good ones” eventually get broken down by the system (assuming they don’t get terminated or end up getting shot somehow during duty) and end up going along with it.
Only takes one good cop, or good person, to get rid of a bad cop.
We just don’t have that many.
if the good cops were going to turn int he bad cops you would have heard about it by now.
Dude this happened in a big way in southern California like twelve years ago. Was all over the news. He got like five of them.
I actually agree. We need more good cops like Chris Dorner or the problem will never be solved.
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Shut up fascist.
If it’s a crime against property? Hell yeah, you’re damn right I’m a fan. If it’s a crime against a person? There are other ways of preventing that than a police force, which were originally created to protect property.
our president is a felon, you show some respect.
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