I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.

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      Well that someone was simply wrong. HC is not a rebrand of anything, we just don’t censor based on political lines.

      Anyone is welcome to start any kind of community they wish on HC and moderate as they see fit, within instance rules.

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        Lol. You are making this argument…in a thread showing actual proof that you censor based on political lines.

        Ever heard of the Streisand Effect??? Idiot.

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          Tbf, they said that the instance doesn’t censor based on political lines, while on the other hand the communities on it can “moderate as they see fit”.

          It’s a loophole.

          Possibly still worth defederating, but not based solely on the comment you responded to.

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    Didn’t know much about hilariouschaos, but it’s definitely an instance I will be blocking after reading this thread. Any instance willing to put up with nazis should be shunned and other instances should defederate from them.

    Edit: Apparently I already blocked the instance when I joined lemmy. Go figure.

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    As so often happens:

    “We’re just tired of these THOUGHT POLICE and want to make a place where we can finally just hang out and be comfortable without the fun police hanging over our shoulders censoring every word we’re free speech warriors come join us we’re better”

    Turned out to mean:

    “I want to be an asshole, you have no rights whatsoever, that’s a given and fuck you, and if anyone EVER infringes on any of my rights real or imagined in any way no matter how trivial, I will throw a hissy fit of thermonuclear proportions”

    (I’m just assuming that this PTB is indicative of hilariouschaos / exploding-heads in general, I don’t have a very strong read on what they’re about. But I think it is a safe working theory.)

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      HC is not exploding heads. The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.

      You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.

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        HC is not exploding heads.

        Yes it is.

        The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.

        I mean that’s fair, but also, this is the #2 community there. The #1 community is an AI news summary place made by a person I find notably weird and disagreeable.

        You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.

        Yeah, I’ll get right on that. It sounds delightful.

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            Bro why u hating on my bot? What did it do?

            AI news summaries even when done by big professional software companies have a big habit of getting stuff wrong. It’s not ideal. There are plenty of news communities on Lemmy including some automated ones.

            If you want a little AI project, I’d be happy to work with you on my project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem. That, I think would be a good addition to the space, and I thought about how to do it a little bit already.

            I find you notably weird and disagreeable.

            Yeah, probably right on both counts.

            I actually just clicked on your user and took a quick look over, searching for some kind of misdemeanor I could criticize you for, and I couldn’t find anything. I just remember you being super rude sometimes and saying deliberately inflammatory stuff, but that’s all, and maybe that isn’t the end of the world.

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              Thankfully I got an entire lemmy community to correct the incorrect summaries. Although the error rate is pretty low and most errors come from the web scraper having issues not the ai.

              I like that idea u would want to use a dolphin finetuned model as they are uncensored and thus have significantly less bias. U might struggle to get the ai to evaluate the badfsithness and not the arguments points itself tho.

              I’m don’t say deliberately inflammatory stuff I just say what I believe and sometimes people agree sometimes they don’t. I can be quite rude but I try to only do that when people are attacking me and not my argument.

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              project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem.

              Any ways to follow this project? This is a concept I’ve also thought about. Would probably work to prompt various simple yes/no questions about a comment and what it’s responding to like, “is it likely they didn’t read it”, “does it address the central point” and then do stuff with the results

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                It hasn’t gone past the “idea” stage. I have an unfortunate habit of talking up all kinds of fancy stuff I want to do and only following through on like 20% of it, but I do think something like that would be a really good idea. If I do wind up executing on it I will reach out.

                And yes, I think having multiple prompts to sort of analyze the comments thread and progress towards conclusions about it is the way to go. I was mucking around with, I think, a four-prompt setup to keep the LLM from going too far off the rails or try to bite off too much of the analysis at once (and also, to stop it from wanting to be “fair to everyone” which it seems like it otherwise really wants to do because of how it’s been trained to be supposedly-neutral).

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        The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.

        Yeah, no, they do. That’s kind of the point of administration. By allowing actions to take place on the instance, those actions can become representative of the instance. The fact that you’re an inattentive or uncaring administrator doesn’t absolve you of the actions taken under your watch.

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    The post did not necessarily convince me to block the HC instance, but the instance admin of it coming in here to combat every comment critical of the instance sure has lol.

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    I am willing to believe there is MASSIVE overlap between cryptobros and lemmy’s right-wing users.

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    Wow I haven’t seen HC in a long time since I blocked them.

    Which was, almost, immediately.

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      I don’t even think I had a specific reason to block them. Their vibes were just way off.

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    In Internet forum terms, “FUD” got popularized in the context of Microsoft’s anti-Linux propaganda from the '90s and 2000s.

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      If you use an app like Voyager, you can block entire instances. There are also web interfaces that allow it as well.

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        This was news to me and super helpful! In the Voyager app, go to Settings > Filters & Blocks. There will be a section called “Blocked Instances” and a button that says “Add Instance”. Click the button, and there is a search suggestion box, so you just type “hil” and the first result is “hilariouschaos.com” and you can just click that result and you’re done!

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          But doesn’t doing that in Voyager simply apply the base Lemmy instance block? If so then it merely mutes communities from it, but doesn’t block users from the instance from posting, commenting, responding, sending DMs, etc.

          It’s not nothing, but it falls far short of expectations, especially for something called by that name.

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            I have no clue what all it does or doesn’t do. I suspect my time on Lemmy has gotten marginally better, but to what degree, I’m not sure. Good call out though

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      Unfortunately you really can’t, not trivially I mean. Also, lemm.ee’s whole schtick is that they don’t defederate from anyone.

      • There is a “instance block” in Lemmy, but horribly misnamed as all it does is mute communities but still allows users to troll you from the instance in other communities, such as this one
      • Move to PieFed, which allows true blocking of all users from an instance, without needing admin approval
      • Stay on Lemmy and switch to either the Sync or Connect app - I’ve not heard of any others that can do this but if someone knows of one please tell me?
      • Ask your instance to defederate from them - except for Lemm.ee that’s extremely unlikely to happen
      • Switch to another instance that has already done so
      • Develop a web browser filter, probably using something like Ublock
      • Create your own instance, and then you can deferate anyone you want

      Lemmy is fairly authoritian for non-admin end-users, but we use what is provided to us (which is why I’m ecstatically happy with the more fully featured PieFed!:-).

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          Well, I definitely could have taken more time to phrase that more precisely.:-) They obviously don’t refuse to defederate from “anyone” - as there are 4 blocked instances listed there - but it’s more that they are proud of a diversity of opinion, so that e.g. they do not defederate from Hexbear.net or even from Lemmygrad.ml, which most other instances choose to do. Value judgements entirely aside (although if we were to get into such I would prefer to have divided them into opt-in vs. opt-out), many new users of the Fediverse report having gotten confused about being bullied and how to stop it, and then left (as reported on e.g. r/RedditAlternatives) rather than stick around long enough to find out. So lemm.ee puts a lot of the burden of figuring things out, rather than making those decisions for those new joiners.

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              Me too - and in that case, lemm.ee is always my chief recommendation for those who want that, while for the more mainstream normal audience, especially centrists (if any such still exist) in the USA, Discuss.Online or sopuli.xyz, etc.