I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.
I saw someone say that Hilarious Chaos is just a rebranding of Exploding Heads and it started making sense as to why it looked so familiar. I blocked them.
Well that someone was simply wrong. HC is not a rebrand of anything, we just don’t censor based on political lines.
Anyone is welcome to start any kind of community they wish on HC and moderate as they see fit, within instance rules.
So where do we petition to add them to the mass defederation list with exploding heads?
Lol. You are making this argument…in a thread showing actual proof that you censor based on political lines.
Ever heard of the Streisand Effect??? Idiot.
Tbf, they said that the instance doesn’t censor based on political lines, while on the other hand the communities on it can “moderate as they see fit”.
It’s a loophole.
Possibly still worth defederating, but not based solely on the comment you responded to.
False chucklefuck the clown banned me because I called out their hypocrisy
Didn’t know much about hilariouschaos, but it’s definitely an instance I will be blocking after reading this thread. Any instance willing to put up with nazis should be shunned and other instances should defederate from them.
Edit: Apparently I already blocked the instance when I joined lemmy. Go figure.
They’re a troll instance. Think 4Chan but without the wit.
As so often happens:
“We’re just tired of these THOUGHT POLICE and want to make a place where we can finally just hang out and be comfortable without the fun police hanging over our shoulders censoring every word we’re free speech warriors come join us we’re better”
Turned out to mean:
“I want to be an asshole, you have no rights whatsoever, that’s a given and fuck you, and if anyone EVER infringes on any of my rights real or imagined in any way no matter how trivial, I will throw a hissy fit of thermonuclear proportions”
(I’m just assuming that this PTB is indicative of hilariouschaos / exploding-heads in general, I don’t have a very strong read on what they’re about. But I think it is a safe working theory.)
HC is not exploding heads. The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.
HC is not exploding heads.
Yes it is.
The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
I mean that’s fair, but also, this is the #2 community there. The #1 community is an AI news summary place made by a person I find notably weird and disagreeable.
You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.
Yeah, I’ll get right on that. It sounds delightful.
Bro why u hating on my bot? What did it do?
I find you notably weird and disagreeable.
Bro why u hating on my bot? What did it do?
AI news summaries even when done by big professional software companies have a big habit of getting stuff wrong. It’s not ideal. There are plenty of news communities on Lemmy including some automated ones.
If you want a little AI project, I’d be happy to work with you on my project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem. That, I think would be a good addition to the space, and I thought about how to do it a little bit already.
I find you notably weird and disagreeable.
Yeah, probably right on both counts.
I actually just clicked on your user and took a quick look over, searching for some kind of misdemeanor I could criticize you for, and I couldn’t find anything. I just remember you being super rude sometimes and saying deliberately inflammatory stuff, but that’s all, and maybe that isn’t the end of the world.
Thankfully I got an entire lemmy community to correct the incorrect summaries. Although the error rate is pretty low and most errors come from the web scraper having issues not the ai.
I like that idea u would want to use a dolphin finetuned model as they are uncensored and thus have significantly less bias. U might struggle to get the ai to evaluate the badfsithness and not the arguments points itself tho.
I’m don’t say deliberately inflammatory stuff I just say what I believe and sometimes people agree sometimes they don’t. I can be quite rude but I try to only do that when people are attacking me and not my argument.
U might struggle to get the ai to evaluate the badfsithness and not the arguments points itself tho.
Yeah. When I was mucking around with it, I had to progress in very specific stages, having the LLM sort of implement a specific algorithm, not letting it have too much free rein or else it’ll do all kinds of weird stuff.
Are u using langchain u can make a whole pipeline of actions with it.
project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem.
Any ways to follow this project? This is a concept I’ve also thought about. Would probably work to prompt various simple yes/no questions about a comment and what it’s responding to like, “is it likely they didn’t read it”, “does it address the central point” and then do stuff with the results
It hasn’t gone past the “idea” stage. I have an unfortunate habit of talking up all kinds of fancy stuff I want to do and only following through on like 20% of it, but I do think something like that would be a really good idea. If I do wind up executing on it I will reach out.
And yes, I think having multiple prompts to sort of analyze the comments thread and progress towards conclusions about it is the way to go. I was mucking around with, I think, a four-prompt setup to keep the LLM from going too far off the rails or try to bite off too much of the analysis at once (and also, to stop it from wanting to be “fair to everyone” which it seems like it otherwise really wants to do because of how it’s been trained to be supposedly-neutral).
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But then they’d have to have a community there? Idk why anyone would want to have one there
The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
Yeah, no, they do. That’s kind of the point of administration. By allowing actions to take place on the instance, those actions can become representative of the instance. The fact that you’re an inattentive or uncaring administrator doesn’t absolve you of the actions taken under your watch.
The post did not necessarily convince me to block the HC instance, but the instance admin of it coming in here to combat every comment critical of the instance sure has lol.
Same - just defederated them from Feddit.dk. What actually convinced me to defederate was this comment. That kind of “hands off” moderation approach just seems irresponsible to me.
Tak :)
Yeah, hilariouschaos is a bit of a special instance.
Several instances recognize it as a rebrand of the infamous explodingheads instance. I suggest admins defed and users block it.
I wasn’t expecting their admin to come here to try and say it’s not lol
That is blatantly false, spread by people who can’t understand why an instance wouldn’t censor based on political lines.
HC has never been anything like exploding heads.
You’re a 2 day old account with the same username as HC’s admin. Your only posts/comments on your account are in defense of that instance. I hardly consider you an unbiased or trustworthy source based on my experiences with that instance.
Thank you. I’m a proactive blocker so the heads-up is appreciated.
He is one of the HC admins. LW defeds them.
Oh. I thought they did.
They are defederated from dbzer0.
Yes, in a comment of mine immediately up this chain, I linked to a site showing that dbzer0 has censured HC.
I felt that the HC admin was not forthcoming enough about their identity when using their alt to defend HC, since most users won’t know the name of admins of instances apart from maybe their own and even less likely those of notable instances or defeded instances. To most users, Splinter would just seem to be an average Joe on Lemmy without any particular affiliation with HC, since in their comments they did not immediately state something to the effect of “I’m an admin of HilariousChaos. Yada yada yada”.
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Is that what we’re calling it?
I am willing to believe there is MASSIVE overlap between cryptobros and lemmy’s right-wing users.
The venn diagram between right-libertarians, cryprobros and alt-right fascists is practically a circle
Libertarians and crypto bros are both fans of the government and regulation when it helps them.
Calling the libertarians fascists that’s a new one
N=1 but I’ve known several (family members, actually) who used “libertarian” to say they were pro-guns and pro-weed, and on every other topic, they’re ring-wing fascist assholes.
It’s been pretty well documented how certain elements of the right love to twist and distort any label they can get their hands on.
What’s wrong with pro gun and pro weed?
Thankfully the left doesn’t twist and distort any label they can get their hands on.
lol come on. You aren’t even trying.
The worst part is, they are trying
But it’s so clumsy and artless!
Who are some high-profile US libertarians you know of? I’d be happy to take a look at their views and I can pretty much guarantee that I would be able to find some important fascist ones. I’m even telling you in advance that that’s what I plan to do, so you can be careful in which high-profile libertarians you want to name.
self-proclaimed libertarians but not actually libertarians in any way
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That was right after it was removed sometimes the timestamps get a little strange on Voyager unless I reset the app.
I mean it’s clear that it was justified
Wow I haven’t seen HC in a long time since I blocked them.
Which was, almost, immediately.
I don’t even think I had a specific reason to block them. Their vibes were just way off.
In Internet forum terms, “FUD” got popularized in the context of Microsoft’s anti-Linux propaganda from the '90s and 2000s.
Fear uncertainty and doubt to be used as a psyop was originally outlined in ww 2 sabotage manual
that’s just when you first heard it
Not just PTB stupid PTB
Lol what a PTB.
Hilarious chaos is more about chaos than hilarity. I’m so glad we can filter instances in Voyager.
The chaos is pretty hilarious.
If you’re 12.
I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.
fyi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
the similar formulation “doubts, fears, and uncertainties” first appeared in 1693.
Wasn’t bitcoin invented in 1691 though?
Oh shit, I forgot about that!
DFU doesn’t have the same ring to it though.
Hmm, I’m still new to Lemmy. How do I block an instance?
If you use an app like Voyager, you can block entire instances. There are also web interfaces that allow it as well.
This was news to me and super helpful! In the Voyager app, go to Settings > Filters & Blocks. There will be a section called “Blocked Instances” and a button that says “Add Instance”. Click the button, and there is a search suggestion box, so you just type “hil” and the first result is “hilariouschaos.com” and you can just click that result and you’re done!
But doesn’t doing that in Voyager simply apply the base Lemmy instance block? If so then it merely mutes communities from it, but doesn’t block users from the instance from posting, commenting, responding, sending DMs, etc.
It’s not nothing, but it falls far short of expectations, especially for something called by that name.
I have no clue what all it does or doesn’t do. I suspect my time on Lemmy has gotten marginally better, but to what degree, I’m not sure. Good call out though
Some apps can block instances iirc. But unfortunately lemmy’s actual instance filter is busted as shit.
I opened an issue about this, so we’ll be getting it in 1.0/1.1.0.
But their chaos is so hilarious 😐
Unfortunately you really can’t, not trivially I mean. Also, lemm.ee’s whole schtick is that they don’t defederate from anyone.
- There is a “instance block” in Lemmy, but horribly misnamed as all it does is mute communities but still allows users to troll you from the instance in other communities, such as this one
- Move to PieFed, which allows true blocking of all users from an instance, without needing admin approval
- Stay on Lemmy and switch to either the Sync or Connect app - I’ve not heard of any others that can do this but if someone knows of one please tell me?
- Ask your instance to defederate from them - except for Lemm.ee that’s extremely unlikely to happen
- Switch to another instance that has already done so
- Develop a web browser filter, probably using something like Ublock
- Create your own instance, and then you can deferate anyone you want
Lemmy is fairly authoritian for non-admin end-users, but we use what is provided to us (which is why I’m ecstatically happy with the more fully featured PieFed!:-).
Its not that .ee doesn’t defed, they’re just more careful about it.
For example, check lemm.ee/instances compared to lemmy.today/instances.
Well, I definitely could have taken more time to phrase that more precisely.:-) They obviously don’t refuse to defederate from “anyone” - as there are 4 blocked instances listed there - but it’s more that they are proud of a diversity of opinion, so that e.g. they do not defederate from Hexbear.net or even from Lemmygrad.ml, which most other instances choose to do. Value judgements entirely aside (although if we were to get into such I would prefer to have divided them into opt-in vs. opt-out), many new users of the Fediverse report having gotten confused about being bullied and how to stop it, and then left (as reported on e.g. r/RedditAlternatives) rather than stick around long enough to find out. So lemm.ee puts a lot of the burden of figuring things out, rather than making those decisions for those new joiners.
Yes, I don’t reccommend .ee to newcomers unless they really want to federate with everyone.
Me too - and in that case, lemm.ee is always my chief recommendation for those who want that, while for the more mainstream normal audience, especially centrists (if any such still exist) in the USA, Discuss.Online or sopuli.xyz, etc.
“SatansMaggotyCumFart”
What the hell is even that?
Four word poetry
You are just fart biased.
I’m biased towards a lot of things. This is definitely one of them.
I mean, it is quite clearly described.
