“Whether you hate me, like me or are indifferent, do you want the best car, or do you not want the best car?” [Apartheid Manchild] told audiences at an event in November.
Well, for starters I don’t want a car at all. I’d rather use public transit. You know, an actually effective means of reducing emissions.
If I were in the market, yes, I would want the best car. Which is why I’d never buy a Tesla. I’d buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.
They used fake robots at their latest event. They were secretly controller by humans. Tesla is a scam company.
Source?
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-robots-remotely-controlled-analyst
You can just use Google, you know
Sources also told Bloomberg that the Optimus robots were reportedly using AI to walk, but relied on assistance from a nearby human to chat.
Looks like the human intervention was for the communication part not the moving around part.
I’ll never buy one, and it’s 66% because of him. The other 34% is the fact Tesla’s are shit quality vehicles. Geico literally refuses to insure the cyber cuck. I didn’t misspell that.
The cybertruck is bad enough, there is no spread misinformation that you read on Reddit
The geico stuff was fake news
Pretty much up until 2020 I was thinking about a Tesla for my first EV. In '22 the time came for a new car and I went with a different EV because Tesla’s quality control has plummeted due to Elon’s reckless leadership.
I never liked Teslas for their lack of things like physical volume knobs for the stereo. In my brutal dictatorship, being an executive, manager, engineer or shareholder at a company that manufactures vehicles that installs touch screens at stations for required crewmembers will be punishable by death by coal power plant. “You have to take your eyes off the road to change the radio station.” Report to your new job working for the power company. As fuel. Get on the conveyor belt, you’ll know when your shift starts.
I’d buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.
Well, good for you. Personally I’m not buying an internet connected Chinese car. If a car has the option of spying on you, and potentially be used in a hybrid attack, I’d prefer to get a car from a western manufacturer. And not Tesla either, Musk is too unstable and seems to be influenced by the same powers that has Trump’s ball in a vise.
My current car is an internet connected EV, but it sure isn’t Chinese or a Tesla.
China can spy on me. I feel safer with them having my info than Musk (Or if you really want to get in the weeds, GM or Ford who’s happy to share that info with big insurance and law enforcement)
One is a totalitarian state who could unleash all its might on you if they wish; the other is still subject to rules and regulations despite being corrupt. I’d rather have Ford and GM spying on my information for corporate interest than a state who wants to micromanage every aspect of your life, thank you very much.
Let’s be real…those statements are true of both nations…the only thing that’s different is the propaganda you listen to.
China will use my info to market me more and better cheap shit. The US will use my info in litigation or worse.
If China wants to launch a full scale assault, they could, and they’d win. They’ve got better tech these days and our number the US by like 10 to 1.
I’m less worried about China knocking on my door for political descent than I am of the US these days.
Everything you said is literally the other way around.
Ideally, no spying at all. My car just gets a radio and nothing else. My phone can be a GPS with a plastic piece that is stuffed in the air grill.
As someone living in the United States, China spying on me doesn’t do much. I’m not really a target for them. My data is just sold to the highest bidder, often Facebook or Google to sell me more ads.
If the US government wanted me gone, I’d be gone in 2 days and Fox News and its brainwashed masses would say I deserved it since I never voted for Trump and didn’t sing the pledge of alliance every day. If China wanted me gone, they’ll have to work for it and it’d be front page news that would become an October surprise.
That’s my main two things. As an American, I am impacted by American laws more than China or even Canada’s or Mexico’s laws. If China banned me (which they have and still do, I’m a queer anarchist) I’m not super impacted by it. If America banned me (I’m a queer anarchist, they’ve done it before) I need to go into hiding.
Does America want to kill me? Not intentionally, at least. I don’t think there’s a personal FBI man watching my webcam, seeing me type up the same shitty memes I tell my friends for a quick laugh as we play games. But if America start getting more cult-y with Trump and his ilk, I have to watch my back more than if China suddenly wanted the same body on their doorstep.
To be fair, the egregious provisions of the PATRIOT act which allows unilateral spying by the US government has not been renewed. But on the one hand, there have been cases of law enforcement agencies buying information from data brokers, which companies have sold to. The Chinese government different, they can straight up spy on you and question you at any time.
This thing isn’t something that would personally affect me because here in Europe we have GDPR and the EU is consumer-friendly, but privacy is still I would be concerned of for other parts of the world.
Why the flying fuck would I want a western car spying on me here in China?
Because some American car company won’t disappear you for having the wrong political opinion.
I mean american aircraft companies wouldn’t that is for sure!
…unless they are boeing!
No, instead they’ll let the government use you to target a bomb because you drive near someone they don’t like.
That has not ever happened (to my knowledge).
This specific one? Not yet. But there is a rather long history of nations, including the USA, using seemingly harmless items to target people for assassination, etc.
And an even longer history of the USA dropping bombs on civilians willy-nilly.
So, people should be more worried about your hypothetical situation than a powerful surveillance state with many millions of dead people in its wake?
As I indicated by using first person singular in my comment, I was talking about me. What car you (second, singular) get is up to you.
While I did write “If a car has the option of spying on you[…]”, I hope my usage of “you” as an informal pronoun was clear. I do realize that I could have used the word “one” instead, or rewritten the sentence entirely. I wrote like I speak, and I unfortunately do not speak like an English professor.
Please remind me, where did you tell me that you live in China?
In the same place you assumed I lived outside of it, I presume.
You’re the one who got mad that I didn’t know that you live in China. You hadn’t told me, or given me any clues. I mean there’s 1.450 billion people who speak English either natively or as second language. 10 million of those live in China. That means there’s a 99.3% chance that a random English speaker doesn’t live in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
But do go on, keep staying pissed at me for something you misunderstood. I never said that you (as in you, not one) or anyone else for that matter, should not buy a Chinese EV. I said that I wouldn’t, and gave my reasons why. In the meantime, while you stay pissed, I’ll continue to not own a Chinese EV, maybe while telling my students about what happened in early summer 1989 on Tiananmen Square, and how Winnie the Poo is treating the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Not only spying, these cars are just like all other Chinese products.
My Milwaukee tools were made in China and they are fantastic. Sure, some cheap chinese made stuff is crap but the higher end chinese products are every bit as good japanese or western made now.
Nearly a third of the world’s manufacturing is done in China. That’s good stuff and crap and everything in between. Chinesium exists because of engineering for a price point, and people are cheap.
This here exactly. There’s shit products made in China. There’s brilliant products made in China. It’s just like everything else as per the old adage: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
If you only want to pay shit product prices, you get shit products. A variant of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
“What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan.”
Your electronics you used to post this were made in China. Apple’s $1000 phones are made in China. Nintendo consoles are assembled in China, as is Playstation and Xbox. If you used anything you liked in the last ~30 years, China had a hand somewhere in it.
China doesn’t have a magic power to remove all stability from its materials like a shitty alchemist, companies produce cheap bullshit because its cheaper to sell new ones than to fix old ones. It’s not some grand mystery of “MSG-elements” or whatever it will be called in the future. It’s simply that economics cares more about short-term profits than long-term gains. And cheap shitty materials will do that in any country that makes them.
There’s junk from Germany, shit from Spain, and ass from America. Borders don’t inherently change the outcome of a assembly line’s finalized product. I’ve had good paper from America, great pens from China, and nice leather from Italy. But I can also walk to any metropolitan area in each of those countries and find you the cheapest, filmiest bullshit possible within the hour of stepping off that plane, that proudly states “MADE IN $LOCAL_COUNTRY”.
It’s mostly the mentality, not the capability.
Say “I don’t know what I’m talking about” without using those words.
I wonder how much longer it will be until the board of directors of the various companies he’s involved in start a serious revolt and push to get him out of the company?
It won’t happen. Ever since he got ousted from one of his companies he’s structured his companies carefully so he can never be ousted again.
I was considering Starlink
Not anymore
It’s quite telling that most of the Musk spam I get comes from this community.
In reality, the average person doesn’t care and doesn’t follow news about Elon.
Techbros do techbro things and assume the loudest voice in the room is the leader. the blind leading the blind.
No real chads would buy a shitty Tesla car, because real chads has old cars
Real chads ride bikes and public transportation
Find hot single chads in your area (on the bus of course! or driving a perfectly functional 2010 camry)
My pillow car!
It’s interesting that two of his proposed three options are “hate” or “like.” It seems like most people would have said “hate” or “love.”
Apparently he has sufficient self-reflection that he knows he’ll never be loved.
If I was going to buy an electric car, I’d get a Nissan Leaf if I didn’t have a lot of money, but if I did have a lot of money, maybe I’d buy an electric BMW. They look pretty nice.
I’ve ridden in a BMW EV. I’m … divided. It’s not terrible (by any means!) but it doesn’t seem to be quite what I’d look for at the price.
Fair enough, I have no idea what they’re like to drive or ride in. I’ve just seen a few and I think they look cool. I also see more EVs of other brands so I guess there’s more choice than ever.
This is definitely a case of “try before you buy”. I’ve hated cars other people have loved and vice versa. You buy the car that fits you.
True. I was just wondering about EVs I’ve seen driving around. If I actually drove them maybe my views would change. But I would still try to avoid Tesla.
I was able to separate my hate of Elon with my love for Tesla so I got a Tesla anyway. Why get an inferior product just because you don’t like the CEO? Seems like a weird hill to die on.
EDIT: Seems I triggered some. Suck it up.
I don’t know. Why did you get an inferior product despite disliking the CEO?
Thanks! You helped fund Trump’s presidential campaign.
Because we as consumers have the power to change the world, if only we can be bothered to wield it. Most can’t, and that’s a huge problem.
It’s a prisoners dilemma. Why should I sacrifice if everyone else doesn’t? And then nobody sacrifices.
before i get sued by Elon for not buying Tesla, just wanted to say i was never a potential buyer
Lawsuit filed.
“Fuck off.” /thinks he said something edgy and profound
The Muskrat is the reason why I can’t even feel good about anything SpaceX does. Every time they do something to propel space exploration forward, all I can think about is how he and his cronies are going to use it to privatize space for profits.
Honestly SpaceX is WAY overrated.
Yes, they have some good engineers, i dont doubt that, but:
They still haven’t been able to replicate what NASA did way back in the 60s with a bunch of rulers, they still haven’t gone beyond low earth orbit.
Their heavy rocket’s best attempt got it empty into an unstable spinning Leo, and thanks to fucking musk it destroyed a launchpad, polluting kilometers around which I’m sure they cleaned up, right?
They’re entire shtick was that they’d be super cheap and they’re fucking expensive, even after everything they have done is basically funded by tax payers.
All that is steered by a lying narcissistic psychopath who now uses his crashing Twitter system to get a dictator elected. The guy is like trump, every second word out of his mouth is a lie. Seriously every project he coined was bullshit, every claim he made was bullshit, none of it happened. Hyperloop, anyone? It killed high speed rail, so yeeeeiii? Tesla’s with rocket engines? Ballistic missiles to transport humans across the globe in 30 minutes? The boring company making tunnels 1000x cheaper? And SpaceX? We will be on Mars in
201620182020202220242026, for sure! They’re still in Leo, which is the (relatively) easy part of getting humans to Mars…ALL of it, bold lies.
So yeah, I honestly think that SpaceX is not really helping space exploration forward. I think it’s 90% bloat aimed at getting as much money for musk as possible
They still haven’t been able to replicate what NASA did way back in the 60s with a bunch of rulers
A bunch of rulers and a LOT of money and industry, courtesy of tax dollars. It was basically a concerted national effort.
I’d say SpaceX is doing great given modern financial constraints for spaceflight.
Getting to Mars is a cover.
Musk is using his fortune, tax dollars, and rich investors to develop the means for the rich to escape the hell they’ve created and/or the mobs of common folk that will surely beat down his, and other wealthy oligarchs, doors when society inevitably flops. That’s why he’s ignoring regulations and laws like they don’t matter to him. When your entire purpose is to help the rich escape their fate, you don’t give a fuck about rules.
He’s an accelerationist with more money than god.
He’s also an ignoramus who will find out the hard way that having more money than God is still not going to get humans to Mars before the middle of this century (at the earliest) and permanent habitation is a pipe dream that won’t even happen by the end of this century.
Every time i hear about SpaceX, I wonder how much further along we’d be if we had proper taxes and gave the money to NASA/ESA. Even if the answer is “about the same” then at least they treat their engineers well.
And at least NASA is beholden to US citizens instead of shareholders and a sociopath billionaire.
Every dollar SpaceX spends, NASA gets it done with a fraction of the budget. The James Webb took forever but it was worth it. SpaceX would have trashed it for a tax write off.
The alternative needed to be NASA, slow, methodical, maximum safety, maximum consideration, with patents benefiting society instead of a private class of shareholders who see it as just another gift in their portfolio.
Instead, we gave away the future to reckless profiteers, and starved the correct, societal scale project of growing beyond our world that could have provided a sense of common purpose and accomplishment as Mercury and Apollo did, which given we’re at each other’s throats would have been useful.
We won’t get anywhere with people like Musk or any other avarice obsessed profiteer at the wheel, only heartbreak in trusting human lives to them as they cut corners and overpromise their capability.
Blame the Boomers on this one. They got the moon landing as kids and then thought the rest was boring so they cut funding once they made up a large part of Congress in the mid 80s.
FWIW spacex doesn’t actually have a lot of patents for their ships. Patents mean making things public but hold society back for the duration of the patent.
SpaceX treats it’s rocket stuff as trade secrets so countries like China that don’t respect patents can’t use it. However, if someone does figure it out on their own, SpaceX has no protections.
Are you forgetting in your richbad rant that Tesla has open use patents?
Oh right I forgot that this is a circlejerk community. Carry on.
Every time they do something to propel space exploration forward. . .
Musk is trying to build the Dune future, not the Star Trek future
He’s probably thinking more near-term: the Elysium future.
Rich people love their caste systems.
The thing about Elysium is that if they created it with modern tech itd be somewhat trivial for a resistance group to starve out the ones in space at least. Just a recoilless rifle with a targeting computer probably running Linux mounted to the back of a Toyota hilux would be more than enough.
That might work once or twice, but I suspect the rich would just launch their supplies from an island, or from a very large “Green Zone.” But I’m guessing the space station would be very susceptible to sabotage or a suicide attack, or something.
I wish I had a good alternative to Starlink but it works too damn well.
Alien franchise incoming in 3…2…1…
