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UEFA handed out two additional fines: One €26K fine for people standing on the stairs and another €8K fine for lighting two flares in the crowd.
UEFA handed out two additional fines: One €26K fine for people standing on the stairs and another €8K fine for lighting two flares in the crowd.
I wouldn’t put it past their greedy asses to do a match ban for fans, the difference in treatment of Palestine and Ukraine invasions is laughably disgusting
Did Ukrainian spend the last 100 years murdering Russian civilians? Did Ukrainian groups attack Russian civilians in cafes and buses? Did Ukrainian groups attack schools and murder Russian children? Did Ukrainian groups snipe Russian babies?
Did a Ukrainian militia rampage through a Russian town raping Russian women on top of the bodies of their murdered friends, tie children and parents together and the burn them alive while live-streaming it?
No?
Then the two situations aren’t remotely the same.
Hamas does not equal Palestine you fucking muppet.
Learn the difference and then talk.
Nope.
You don’t get to justify the murder and rape of 1,000 Israelis who were also not their government and then try to do the opposite with Gaza.
Not to mention the fact that Hamas enjoys way more support from Palestinians than the current government of Israel gets from its citizens.
Palestinians by and large support terrorism against Jewish civilians.
Why do you think there were celebrations in the West Bank when they found out about the rape and murder and immolation of Israeli women and children?
Yes, but those 1000 Israelis that were murdered were settlers living on illegally claimed land. They were not ‘innocent’ in the fact that they knew living there meant displacing the Palestinian, they are given subsidies by the Israeli government to be there. The most ironic issue was having a ‘Peace’ festival on land that was illegally settled under International Law.
No one wants to murder and kill, death is abhorrent to any human, but all legal measures in order to gain basic human rights were denied unless they take shitty deals presented to them by Israel and the wider international community. Of course they will turn to violence. It’s so not surprising this is happening at all if you had a shred of empathy.
Hamas are the current government of Gaza. Of course it equals Palestine.
What you meant is does it equal all Palestinians and then it’s obviously no.
If that’s the case then I suppose it’s ok for Indonesians to come over and murder Dutch people for what your government has done historically, right?
These things have also been carried out against Palestinians too. You’re either doing this in deliberate bad faith or you’re being unbelievably blinkered. Like literally all of this has happened in Palestine in the last 36 months. You don’t have to go back a century.
Last time I checked ukraine wasn’t under a naval and land blockede for over a decade either. If they were it would’ve sparked outrage in the west
Comparing these two is if they were remotely the same is just as disgusting though.
You’re right what is happening in Gaza is way worse
How so , do the isralis have torturechambers set up in Gaza, do the Israeli soldiers rape the women.
Yes and yes. But you’ll either go completely ignore it or defend it because that’s what people like you do. A 5 second google search will give you news info about both but idk you are probably a ignorant fuck
But hey, more tanks for Ukraine amirite?
Imagine having the capacity to care about more than one thing at a time
You’re right. My bad,I was emotionally charged.
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Millions displaced from their homes, hundreds of thousands killed, multiple cities leveled to the ground, countless of war crimes and documented r*pe of ukrainian children and women committed by the russians on a large scale. Don’t forget the mass graves found etc.
But somehow what’s happening in Gaza is worse? What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, but WORSE?
Millions displaced from their homes, hundreds of thousands killed, multiple cities leveled to the ground, countless of war crimes and documented r*pe of ukranian children and women commited by the russians on a large scale.
But somehow what’s happening in Gaza is worse? You’re a piece of sh*t for even comparing the two. What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, but WORSE? You need mental help.
You’re projecting.
Lmao alright dude
A foreign power with huge military reserves indiscriminately bombing civilians?
What hamas did was unequivocally wrong but to say it was unprovoked is a total lie when literally this year the finance minister of Israel called for the massacre of a Palestinian village to make room for more illegal settlements.
The huge lie is you claiming Israel is just indiscriminately bombing civilians for the heck of it.
Also, I didn’t say it was unprovoked and Israel didn’t call for massacres.
Basically, your whole post is bullshit.
israeli spokesperson say different.
“the focus is on destruction, not accuracy” - daniel hagari, spokesmen of the israeli army
“we will turn gaza into an island of ruins” - netanyahu
“now there is only one goal: nakba. a nakba in gaza that will dward the nakba of 1948” - ariel kallner
“wipe out their families, their mothers and their children” - ezra yachin
“powerful rockets to be fired without borders, gaza to be smashed and razed to the ground. without mercy” - tally gotliv
“there will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, no everything. we are fighting animal people” - yoav gallant
“i dont care about gaza. i literally don’t care about gaza. they can go swimming in the sea” - maya golan
Sweet. You can find a bunch of angry extremists saying provocative bullshit.
Now let’s do the Palestinians:
Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Agsa TV, April 8, 2011
Dr. Yusuf Al-Sharafi, Hamas representative, April 12, 2007;
Hamas Spokesman Fawzi Barhum, October 7, 2008;
Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader, June 10, 2003, interview with Al-Jazeera,
Hamas communiqué, March 9, 1989, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine
Hamas communiqué, October 5, 1988, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine
those angry extremists are, among others, the prime minister of israel, the defense minister of israel, the spokesperson of the israeli army and the minister for women’s affairs in israel.
good job finding hamas quotes, at no point did i defend hamas tho.
And the angry extremists I quoted are the leaders of Gaza and 2 million Palestinians.
Why is the bar so low for them?
There’s no equivalency between Israel and murderous raping child burning terrorists.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
So many western progressives have no care in the world that they support a far-right government.
Western progressives have no problem supporting a murderous terrorist group that burned children on a livestream.
Why is that not as chilling ?
I mean, they’re not indiscriminately bombing civilians “for the heck of it”, they’re indiscriminately bombing civilians because they’ want to wipe out the Palestinian people
Are you trolling?
Why don’t you respond to the post above with all the Israeli sources contradicting what you said?
How many times does an IDF spokesperson have to say they’re bombing for damage and not accuracy before westerners start believing their words…
How much accuracy in the hundreds of rockets Hamas has fires into civilian areas in the last 2 weeks?
I don’t think it’s fair to compare a highly advanced military with jets and nuclear bombs to a bunch of goons with tube rockets.
One of them is capable of accuracy.
And it doesn’t really absolve Israel of what they’ve been doing for so long doesn’t it?
It’s 100% fair. The kind of asymmetrical warfare that Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups practice is perfectly capable of causing enormous destruction to innocent people. Just ask the thousands of Israelis murdered in the 172 suicide bombings Palestinians have unleashed on them since 1989.
Plus this is an asinine argument anyway.
You’re not obligated to match capabilities with your enemy. If someone tries to stab me and I have a gun I’m not gonna throw away my gun and pick up a knife for “proportionality”.
This only works if Israel wasn’t the first to shoot. Or if they weren’t completely in control of deciding everyone’s material conditions.
If you are going to bring up numbers:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/18/the-israel-palestine-conflict-has-claimed-14000-lives-since-1987
how many palestinian civilians has israel killed and injured in the last years? hint: its much more than vice versa
This comparison is moronic: 20 times more Germans died during World War II than British people.
It doesn’t make them the victims.
Perhaps if Palestinian armed groups didn’t incessantly use their population as human shields and practice widespread use or child soldiers then their numbers wouldn’t be so high
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germany attacked poland. israel was founded by western countries in the middle east and has ever since stolen more and more palestinian land. so much that they were called out on it by the UN and amnesty international dozens of times.
What is this a reply to?
What do you mean “westerners”? Do you think “Arab world” and “West” are two teams and you have to pick sides?
This sub (and Reddit) is by far a majority western audience. Not really the point of the comment though, thoughts on the ‘doing damage’ part?
Stop tossing your word salads and acknowledge the evidence being laid at your feet, you sentient block of cheese.
Hamas leaders call for massacres of Jews literally daily.
But I forgot that crimes in the Middle East are only crimes with Jews do it.
When Arabs do it it’s “resistance”
Wild world we live in where being vocally pro-genocide is OK.
Hamas and their western supporters do it all the time.
What exactly do you think “from the river to the sea” is referring to?
Saying that’s a call for genocide is the most brain dead thing zionists have come up with since they said the Geneva convention is pro holocaust.
Okay then explain the human rights abuses conducted by Israel and the IDF in the West Bank. Hamas does not operate there and cannot get anyone inside.
Do you condemn the settler attacks, the abuse and humiliation that the Palestinians have to suffer each day? Where was your outrage when the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah was subjected to unlawful evictions and attacks? In Jenin? In Jerusalem where Christians are spat at?
Hamas is present all over the West Bank:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/19/middleeast/hamas-spokesperson-detained-west-bank-intl/index.html
Sheikh Jarrah was a Jewish neighborhood purchased in the 19th century and then ethnically cleansed of its inhabitants by the Jordanian army.
Try again.
Ukrainians would do the same if their country got colonized for decades, all colonizations end up creating violent resistances. Hamas is the result of Israel’s oppression not the other way around.
Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine. There were Jews speaking Hebrew in Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Hebron one thousands years before the Arab invasion and colonization of their ancestral land.
Follow me for more basic historical facts
You’re right, but that’s literally ancient history. It sucks that the arabisation of the region happened but it seems irrelevant to the modern day conflict
That’s why no politics should be displayed on the field. It was the same with the BLM, you could have that on shirts but not against China treatment of the Uyghur, for example
Politics can still be discussed by footballers and in the media around it, but during the game, football should be the only show, otherwise you’re just using it to push your beliefs
Well in the case of some clubs, such as Celtic, politics are intrinsically bound the the formation and history of club. I don’t think it’s very sensible to try to separate them entirely.
And do they still represent the Celtic fanbase today? I know it comes from the catholic and protestant divide, which can also be linked to views on the whole UK, with the people supporting Rangers or Celtic based on that, but today people follow what their parents support
That’s why I don’t like when they start supporting different groups that don’t represent their entire fanbase (even worse when what you’re allowed to support is decided purely on whether it’s a brand risk or good PR) or even the players. We’ve had a player in Ligue 1 who plays for a Qatar-owned team being sidelined because he didn’t want to wear an LGBT-themed shirt
I agree there are moments that you can’t separate, like last year’s World Cup, but like I said in my original comment, you can still discuss and take positions outside of the field, but from the moment you decide to play, football should be the only thing
They represent some of them. Definitely not all but that’s part of freedom of expression isn’t it.
The club board, however, are a load of Conservatives unfortunately!
Football is politics on a pitch, not some generic bland american franchise garbage.
Celtics vs rangers is protestant vs catholic Barca vs madrid is Catalonia vs Spain Inter vs ac Milan is cooperation vs nationalism
To cut out the the very founding reasons of clubs is to deny their reason for existence
slava ukraini vs free palestine is very much the flirting vs harrassment meme
It’s a bad comparison because Ukraine is controlled by a decent government, with its population’s support, fighting to protect an invasion across clearly defined borders.
The Ukrainian government does not call for the whole of Russia to be put under Ukrainian control, it does not call for people to kill Russian civilians in other countries, like Hamas does. This is the former Interior minister of Hamas, and current member of the legislative council:
Ukraine is a simple situation. Palestine is complex, and there is no flag you can fly or slogan you can chant which represents what is needed to have a fair outcome.
It’s a bad comparison because Ukraine is controlled by a decent government, with its population’s support, fighting to protect an invasion across clearly defined borders. The moral high ground in the Israel Palestine conflict is held by the civilians on both sides, neither government can claim a clear moral high ground. Palestine is controlled half by a fundamentalist religious organization that calls for Israel to be destroyed, and even the moderate party is run by a guy whose doctoral thesis is Holocaust denial.
The Ukrainian government does not call for the whole of Russia to be put under Ukrainian control, it does not call for people to kill Russian civilians in other countries, like Hamas does. This is the former Interior minister of Hamas, and current member of the legislative council:
Ukraine is a simple situation. Palestine is complex, and there is no flag you can fly or slogan you can chant which represents what is needed to have a fair outcome.
This is how well brainwashing works? I’m impressed
You mean the brainwashing Hamas does to its children to make them hate and want to kill Jews? Yeah that’s how it works
Why would they ban fans? It’s just a money making scam to them. If there’s no fans there’ll be nothing to fine them for.