This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
Americans are fucked. Political disagreement to be classified as a mental disorder? Y’all skipped the Hungary and Russia steps, and went straight to NK.
Just like in Soviet Union under Stalin.
Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.
American asylums weren’t exactly shining beacons of human rights during that period either. JFK’s sister had her frontal lobe scraped until she could no longer repeat the lyrics of a song because she said problematic things as a woman.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
Free speech is dead. Democracy is dead. And now the individuals who criticize Trump can be detained in a mental hospital.
Yep, we’re back to the 1930s folks
I will scream it from the roof tops that he is incompetent and my dislike for him. I’m not scared.
You’re not scared because your great grandmother wasn’t thrown out a 4th floor window by Nazis. You really don’t understand a dictatorship, do you?
My grandmother was a German citizen. My blood runs deep and I fully understand how you put these people in their place.
To be clear, screaming on rooftops didn’t put the nazis in their place, communists with guns did.
Is this a call to arms against the USsA?
It is an observation of historical facts, I am not prescribing any particular action.
Running in the woods and trying to wage a protracted people’s war against the local police didn’t put the nazis in their place either, so who exactly would I be calling to arms?
The government has artillery.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Awww, they’re feeling the pressure huh?
This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I’ve seen it as a MH worker. It’s not a hospital, it’s a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It’s deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.
In Soviet America the crackpots will hospitalize you.
We need one to counter and call it the Koolaid Cooperation Clause
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) (noun) - An irrational and unwavering devotion to Donald Trump, characterized by blind loyalty, the dismissal of any criticism as fake news or conspiracy, and an inability to acknowledge his flaws or contradictions.
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Was there when I posted, granted, it’s made mainstream headlines.
Like red flag laws, but for the other side.
Red Flag laws are used to remove guns from Trans, Latino, and Black people in red states too. It’s not the solution to gun violence that people think it is. It was a good idea, but it ends up falling to paradox of the false positive and even being weaponized against minorities more often than not. It violates due process as well.
More comprehensive care for people with severe mental health issues and arresting and jailing domestic violence offenders their first time is more effective. Unfortunately, we just defunded public mental health, so…
I agree.
So, the only possible sane position is to support everything Trump does?
No. You don’t have to agree with everything Trump. This bill won’t pass anyway.
Assuming it passed, that’s what the bill said. Any disagreement with Trump is a clear sign of a mental disorder.
No, it does not say any disagreement with Trump. That alone would not qualify.
Don’t worry though, with walz as gov, it won’t pass.
No, it does not say any disagreement with Trump
It literally does. That’s how it defines “Trump Derangement Syndrome”.
But yes, Walz will veto it, thankfully.
Its only part of what defines it. Disagreeing alone would not qualify.
Yes, I’m glad you’re beginning to see reason!
Ok, now I know you are a meconium baby, who didn’t have the resolved quickly enough.
It was a joke, but that’s on me for not putting a giant disclaimer for everyone to see.
Edit : also what are you trying to say in your comment? Cuz I know it’s English, but idk what you’re on about.
The other side?
Red flag laws were geared more towards conservatives, this TDS bill would be geared more towards liberals.
How are laws stating “If you’ve beaten your spouse, you cannot own guns” geared towards conservatives? Or, is that a slip of some sort?
I don’t remember that part of it.
How are red flag laws geared towards conservatives? Are they more likely to have someone report them as suicidal?
Also how would removing a gun from a suicidal person be comparable to taking a person against their will and more than likely getting them fired from work and thrown in poverty?
I was speaking of guns, not suicide. And liberals are generally more against guns than conservatives. When talking about the red flag laws concerning guns got big, it was conservatives that were talking about getting locked just for having guns. Make sense now, why I said this?
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Just worked for me.
This is for Minnesota, why is that not in the headline or post? I don’t think Minnesota will pass this
it’s also one of a billion batshit bills that every Nazi sycophant is going to shit out over the next 4-90 years.
that said, it’s kinda good to get out in front and see these, we should be tracking names
I agree, I’m not saying it shouldn’t be posted but the text of the post reads like this was introduced to the house of Representatives in congress not just in the MN house.
We don’t need to be confusing people into thinking it’s already hopeless, they’re trying this in Minnesota and it will fail.
The fact they’re trying is important to recognize but we also have to point out that it is a single instance and people can go harass the singular state rep who introduced it instead of thinking it’s in congress and there’s no way to contact enough reps to block the bill.
Hope that clarifies my position a bit. Name and shame. Make it clear that this is in a state house. That is where the real evil is going to be commited (states right to what?) But let’s make it so that the people in that state are able to be activated and called to action as opposed to me seeing this in Georgia and thinking “oh great I can’t influence this decision if it’s happening in Washington.”
Maybe I read the article and see it’s for Minnesota, and make the comment saying we should point out it’s just in Minnesota. OR I just read the headline, read the comments freaking out without the context, and go tell my friends “hey congress is introducing a bill to make criticizing trump a mental illness” completely devaluing the actual harm being done by misrepresenting it.
No shade to OP, just trying to be pragmatic.
That’s new. Granted, I did see it on mainstream headlines earlier today.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.
It’s also important to note that they’re planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.
They don’t need to introduce anything, involuntary commitment is already a question on form 4473 and something a NICS check would flag.
Of course, they would still need to physically retrieve any firearms they may have. Unless they planned on handing them over peacefully.
I’m sorry, I lost all my firearms in an unfortunate boating accident.
Which is why I roll my eyes everyone those Dems mentions “Gun Control”.
Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.
Dems are part of the system and are not our allies.
What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?
They are kept isolated and ignorant by class warfare under an undermined education system, geographically and social media algorithm bubbled, have severely limited economic prospects, exposed to childhood religious indoctrination, and have normalized extreme right wing propaganda.
They believe their small town and rural economic hardships aren’t self inflicted due to lack of unions & solidarity under worker strikes & holding local politicians accountable, and take out their anger on other working class and poor people because they feel justified by their suffering to inflict suffering on their perceived perpetrators.
In pop culture references it’s Megatron feeling justified to destroy all autobots because he was deceived by a wealthy autobot leader to slave in the energon mines.
They believe hierarchies are natural and unavoidable, so anything to make sure they aren’t on the bottom. Anyone that can push lower on the hierarchy naturally means they are higher.
They want people to suffer.
Evil. The word you’re looking for is evil.
They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.
They believe that bullshit against all common sense and by very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence. Fascists are always assholes first and the fascism just serves to rationalize their shitty behaviour.
very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence
These are people that believe in an old beard in the sky. They’re not ignoring evidence, they’re mentally incapable of processing it. There’s a good majority of Americans that literally don’t know how to think, that think dumb ignorance is somehow cute and forgivable, that believe anything they’re told because “look at his suit.”
That’s what I don’t get. Like, why can’t we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?
But no, there’s a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.
I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he’s old enough to ask. I just don’t get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don’t want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don’t even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.
Hello fellow Scandinavian
I share your worries, I truly think we’re going to have war at our doorsteps sooner or later, and I don’t really know what to do about it (beyond I guess, preparing mostly self-sufficient communities of like-minded individuals capable of self-defense, but yeah…)
It’s definitively scary
Lack of empathy. Fear that they are fed. Hate for different people. Sense of superiority over people who have even less than them. Total lack of responsibility. Religion.
This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.
Keep going….
Who do you think Trump is copying? 🤔
Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.
Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.
