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    Fitting since she makes music for people that are exactly like that.

    People that think they’re wild and crazy but are actually the most mild and middle class white people you’ve ever met.

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    Photo of the Swift Asylum, it’s actually horrible! Just 3,600 sqft on 11 acres?? who could live like that!

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      yeah but if you live there your parents leave you alone at Christmas and two guys attempt to break in and kill you so you have to improvise booby traps

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      No argument that she’s from the wealth & privilege class

      But you don’t become the biggest pop star ever with a completely healthy upbringing, either, right?

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        …why not? Pop isn’t exactly a reaction like metal, punk or hyperpop, it’s just… The default genre of music she could have made?

        What unhealthy part of any upbringing would compel someone to make pop?

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          Anyone that driven was probably abused mentally to some degree at the very least… I know you think you’re being “funny” because it’s just “pop music”. Like being pop means it isn’t a horrible cut throat industry that regularly chews up and destroys child stars …

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            You know what else regularly grinds up and destroys children?

            Poverty.

            Which occurs to far more millions of people than whatever tf this princess went through

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            No, she had the fucken cash to sit around and get the fucken recording equipment and instruments for country songs. That shit ain’t cheap, and she started before the home recording revolution. So you know Papa Swift paid for some studio time. Its not abuse at all, its wealth and privilege to pursue what you want.

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              You’re not wrong on all your points but also jesus christ if you think DIY started after T Swift.

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                No, but in the 2010s it became much cheaper to record at home than it ever was and we saw countless artists come from that.

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                  I had prosumer home recording equipment back around the turn of the century, and it wasn’t anything new.

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            From everything ive heard, it seems her parents were super supportive and understanding, from driving her hours away so she could get lessons/coaching, to moving across the country so she could start her career.

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            Abused mentally could mean not voted home coming queen. Tempest in a teapot can still be a tempest to someone fixated on the teapot.

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        But you don’t become the biggest pop star ever with a completely healthy upbringing, either, right?

        Sure you could. Why not?

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        But you don’t become the biggest pop star ever with a completely healthy upbringing, either, right?

        Paul McCartney had, by all accounts, an idyllic childhood

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        Keep it down, you might interrupt the circle jerk. Don’t worry, they will tire soon.

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      not only that, but a SUMMER HOME too?? the audacity, how can one live in only TWO houses?!

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    Have you met rich people? These two locations definitely housed the mentally unwell.

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    ITT: people who would have thrown away rap albums when they found out the rapper never actually dealt drugs defending a billionaire from a little joke she’ll never see.

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    She sang fondly about that Christmas tree farm, so I guess this new song is just to shit talk about New Jersey.

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    So many celebrities and famous people grew up very well off, despite their relatable personas. If I ever get famous, I’ll be upfront about not being average or typical. I’m not normal. Not better or worse, just not like most people.

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        I’ve met some famous people, and I wouldn’t say that’s entirely the case. I met some before they got famous, and they were genuinely skilled. However, they were so good thanks to their parents fostering their passion and paying for what they needed to improve. A minority of famous people actually grew up poor, but still made it. However, even they benefitted from forces outside their control like living near an artistic community or learning helpful ideas from some random person in their life.

        Wealth doesn’t hand people success, but it does give them opportunities. They become good at something because they had everything they needed to succeed, while most people don’t. I’ve met rich kids who didn’t succeed despite the wealth, although not succeeding as a rich kid is far more forgiving than not succeeding if you’re poor.

        Few people don’t work hard for success, but most people work hard and aren’t successful. Being born rich is luck, but so is having physical or mental traits that help you in what you do. Some people grow tall enough to play professional basketball, but most don’t. That’s not because they deserve it, but because they got lucky. That doesn’t take away from basketball players hard work, but they were only able to succeed because chance allowed them to.

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          Pretty much the story of my friend. He makes a ton of money as a computer scientist, but he worked for it as far as his education went. He just had a stable family to live with so no rent, he had a father who got him a job which paid like full time but allowed a flexible schedule, paid for his car and phone, etc…

          He studied his ass off and was always at the school, but it’s because he had the support to be able to do that. We literally live opposite lives in almost every respect. I had none of what he had and so I’m stuck working in a factory living in someone’s garage. I couldn’t dedicate the time for what I thought I wanted and couldn’t risk spending the money to try as I have to move way too often and need a hefty savings for first month, security, broker fee… Being poor is expensive lol

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            This is why capitalism is anti-meritocracy. It creates inequality of opportunity by design. Like every argument for capitalism, it actually defeats itself if you think critically.

            Capitalists are the ones that oppose meritocracy, innovation, consumer choice, personal freedoms, avoiding bureaucracy, efficiency, competition, and human well-being. They’re the ones who believe in free lunches, not the people who advocate for social safety nets. They think their system is stable and realistic, but they’re the ones living in fantasy land for thinking they can exploit without repercussion.

            They’re in for a bad time like the rest of us, but they’re probably too stupid to understand that it’s their fault.

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        What’s “better” is relative to the goal and environment. In respect to being a functional adult, I’m definitely different ~I’m worse~

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    I mean, asylums aren’t known to be horrible because of the quality of the architecture, but how people treat other people in there.

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      I mean her parents would drive to NY for singing and acting lessons, the family relocated to Nashville to enable her carrer, paid for private school, beautiful homes… by all accounts her family provided a strong foundation for her to launch.

      She’s been supported throughout her life, calling the way she was raised an “asylum” is kind of insulting to people that grew up wondering if there would be food on the table or if Dad was coming home angry again. Not to minimize her struggles but I’m willing to bet most people could actually last an hour

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        When people write songs are the lyrics always supposed to be literally true? There’s some interesting stuff happening out there if so…

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        I mean that sounds like it could be a story about super supportive parents, or it sounds like it could be a story about super psycho pageant mom type parents.

        Even if it’s the former and they were genuinely supporting her dream and not their own, it still doesn’t mean it wasnt manic or stressful or crazy.

        Or it could just be a made up fictional lyric, or one meant to reference her own internal psychological struggles with the asylum she’s trapped in being her own mind.

        This meme quite frankly just seems like people who don’t understand music trying and failing to clown on the popular girl.

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        You may want to look more into it.

        Her father was one of the principals on the closing of DreamWorks Nashville. Big Machine records is what DreamWorks Nashville was rebranded as once severed from the rest of the corporate structure.

        He essentially took the commission he got from selling Toby Keith’s catalog and then reinvested it into Big Machine before it was open to other investors.

        He essentially spent $2m to buy his daughter’s career.

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        If you just compare your life to some of the worst off then yeah, no one ever gets to complain about anything.

        This whole outrage is misunderstanding the fact that people can have problems, especially perceive themselves as having problems, that are on their own scale and not comparable to the world at large. Also her songs are written to be relatable to some extent and not just 100% autobiographical so more people can envision their own problems and circumstances. But that’s like, 99% of music so it feels weird to say it.

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          Our goal should be to resist and overcome those harmful instincts. That’s kinda the purpose of ethics/morality

          Whereas her “art” seems to encourage us to give into our base impulses of vindictiveness, scorn, petty jealousy, grudges, etc.

          Not a very Christlike role model. Which is ironic given the protestant religious/cultural upbringing of much of her fanbase

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    Can some ELI5 Taylor Swift drama? I haven’t listener to her since middle school, and my sister’s keep trying to tell me what’s up but I have no context.

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    i think im starting to understand why some people don’t really like this album.

    though to be fair, i don’t listen to music to read a story. So.