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Maybe Ford knows something about a better alternative to EVs 👀 One can only hope
The legacy automakers are afraid to make the type of investments and sacrifices needed to exist in the future. Kodak level incompetence.
Dealerships have undue legal protection from the government. All manufacturers should have the right to sell directly.
Saw a Porsche Taycan commercial on the TV this weekend. They must not be selling 😁
An economy EV from Ford might boost interest. The EV market isn’t waning, perhaps it’s the approach that needs an overhaul
Dealers make 10x the sale amount on service and repairs. Why the fuck would they want to sell cars that require almost no service? lol
For real. Car dealerships are set up in such a way where the almost benefit off screwing over unsuspecting customers that come in for services.
Why in the world would they want to support something that directly eats their profits?
The markup on an oil change alone is astronomical.
they DO benefit from that, that’s their entire business model, no almost about it
They don’t which us why automakers who have to rely on them are screwed and why 2/3rd of EV sales in the US don’t go through dealers.
the nasty part is that the service department has targets too, not just sales. Meaning that if they need to hit their target they will 100% scam a few people at least
400 dealers, or 400 dealerships? Because with the way dealer franchises work 400 dealerships is like 1 guy throwing a temper tantrum.
Ford should have been using their battery supply to make hybrids all along, which they are excellent at making.
Battery tech is projected to advance so fast that I’d almost consider all EVs today concept cars for “what will be”. I doubt a big automaker would ever go public with that message but they have to see the writing on the wall regarding the pace at which they’ll out-date their own cars.
A 500mi/charge EV will completely sink the value on their inventory for a 250-300/charge model. So why mass produce it when they run that risk?
I enjoy your optimism
My 2009 Ford fusion cost me $680 last year to maintain and that included a new power window, two cylinder heads, and 4 oil changes.
My dad was quoted $1150 to replace a cracked windshield in his Tesla that was damaged all the way back in January, he’s still driving with the crack.
Ford won’t have an issue selling EVs when the cost of replacement parts is not the cost of a cheap used car.
That’s not an EV issue bro. Every modern car has a crap ton of sensors and radars on the windshield now.
How about Tesla owners with over 100K discovering that they need to replace their batteries to the tune of $15K? It’s certainly not wide-spread yet, but it’s an issue that’s popping up. Also, repeated use of fast chargers shortens battery life.
If Right To Repair was a thing they could take it to a shop to replace whatever cells are broken. And fast charging can shorten battery life if you always fast charge to 100%, the rule of thumb is to fast charge between 20%-80% to prolong the life of the battery.
The owner of Electrified Garage (back East) and Youtuber, RichRebuilds, just did a piece on it. He can do the job but it’s more expensive for him to do it than Tesla. Basically, he said owners with bad battery packs have three options: put it for sale on Copart and try to get a little bit back; pay Tesla $15K; pay an independent $20K.
Well shit, I hope that can only go down in price.
Windshield cost isn’t because it’s an EV, it’s because of all the additional tech involved in new car windshields - heating elements, sensors, etc. It’s not just a piece of glass anymore on a lot (most?) newer cars.
YoY EV growth by company:
Polestar: 51%
Rivian: 150%
Lucid: 85%
Volvo: 631%
BMW: 80%
Mercedes: 600%
Audi: 93%
Kia: 83%
Some are a bit slower
Ford: 15% Porsche: 11%
okay but what is the number of units sold by Volvo? lol, percentage doesn’t mean much when you hide the numbers specific to it.
At least half of the arguments on here are percentage only and it’s very disingenuous. For example, Lucid sales YTD are around 4400 cars.
Also what market(s) are these in, is this just in the U.S. or worldwide totals?
And the numbers?
This would be meaningless if mercedes went from 10 car to 60 cars yoy.
Obviously no demand
/s
Some of these are going from selling 2 cars to 3, but I don’t think the story is demand rather than EVs being overpriced.
OEMs priced them against Tesla’s higher prices and in a ZIRP envienvironment where
Ford wasn’t exactly selling large numbers of evs before
Ford is currently #2 for EV sales in North America, and will only lose that spot to GM in Q4.
Dealers and OEMs like Ford solving for a local maximum are going to find out what a global minimum looks like. Others, like Tesla, Kia etc have figured out how to sell EVs which are the future. Being the king of buggy whips may feel good now, but will sting in the future.
But yet ALL of the manufacturers say they’ll be EV only within the next 10-15 years?
I smell BS!
The departure of nearly 400 Ford dealers from the company’s EV sales program raises concerns about the challenges or disagreements they may be facing in promoting electric vehicles. Understanding the specific reasons behind this exodus could shed light on potential obstacles in the widespread adoption of electric vehicles within the Ford dealership network.
Good let’s shoot for 1000