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Suing in Texas?, soon he will ask the US to invade…
He is risking the rest of the European Unions act in solidarity.
That’s an ICE car. Significantly more ICE cars combust than EV’s, by a MASSIVE margin actually, it’s scary they let ICE car’s on the road the amount of them combust.
I mean, I had to print a label on my car for months during Covid after getting a used car cause plates were so backed up. Maybe they can do that for now.
Just in case someone else also has a hard time figuring out what this “CBA” is everybody’s talking about - it’s the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(ESL here - this took me way too long to figure out and nobody’s directly clarified it in the comments.)
As an Aussie, I just mentally interpreted it as ‘Can’t Be Arsed’ even tho I knew what it meant
Americans don’t have enough unions to know what it means either
I’m American and i can see the swedes are doing something right!
The whole concept of sympathy strikes is really weird to me. My country (Netherlands) does not have them as far as I’m aware.
In this case PostNord has no real competition, but take for example the extrusion company that supplies to Giga Berlin. It’s CEO basically said Tesla is already moving to getting suppliers outside of Sweden. Which may mean that the company is losing money and needs to lay off part of the workforce.
It works because Sweden culturally values social consensus much more than we do in the middle part of Europe (lived in Germany, Sweden, Belgium*, UK for a decade each [*Belgium not quite as long]).
Germany has different, more restrictive rules, around sympathy strikes than Sweden - so … you can’t compare the two countries on what workers legally can do and can’t.
Back in 1998 100% of all union members working in Denmark’s private sector went on strike, and the non union members that tried to go to work was “encourage” to stay at home, by the not so friendly looking union members, that would physical block any entrench to their place of work.
People stayed home for 11 days and it was an absolute shit show but we got what we wanted, simply because the state of Denmark was about to go belly up.
What was it they wanted
Sympathy strikes happen regularly in construction though, even in America. Basically if the customer is doing something bad to one union shop, the others will show their support.
I was part of one a long time ago. The client company was refusing to deal with a complaint from one contractor. So one day all the other contractors took a day off. Just one day, but the whole project shut down. The union paid me for the day off, and the client decided to move on the outstanding issue. The whole thing though is that it shouldn’t need to become a big enough deal that news services take notice. Give a warning shot, if you will, not a major disruption for anyone involved.
Welp Judge just ruled in favor of Tesla
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
Sweden: ‘suck these nuts. From the back’
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
As I understand it, USA labor law still allows sympathy strikes under two conditions: 1) employer refuses to collectively bargain with another union and 2) abnormally dangerous working conditions. However, most collective bargaining agreements have contractual no-strike clause language in them to prohibit a union from participating in a situation #1 sympathy strike on behalf of another union.
I wish I lived in a unionized society.
The joy of the existence of sympathy strikes and actions fills my cold, dead heart with a bit of warmth.
All it takes is immigration…
Kinda want to know how do you sue a country but not willing to read the article
You can if you have more money then God.
I believe the colloquial phrase is “when you have enough money to make king Solomon blush”
Sue a part of the federal government (change federal for the proper term in whatever country). Roe vs Wade may be on of the most famous in America. Wade was the da in the county.
So, workers aren’t allowed to strike for a better pay? Musk wants the government to find replacement workers?
They are not striking for better pay.
Tesla workers are happy enough, but unions want in. This would be easy in most countries, take a vote and the union is in or out.
How deep is Tesla going to dig their own grave? Imaging creating this mess just because you don’t want to provide a good work environment for 130 workers in a market where you sell over 10000 cars a year.
It’s even worse, this thing get picked up by press and unions in all over the EU and literally puts Tesla on target for these groups. Tesla has been under the radar for years with their none unionized workforce in the EU, now these stuff gets brought up just because of 130 Tesla workers in sweden.The stakes are not as low as 130 Swedish mechanics. The stakes are getting any collective bargaining through in Europe at all which would cause a cascade of similar actions. It is containment of organized labour demands internationally. Failure here would be catastrophic for Musk’s managerial style which seems to be “fly by night / make it work or else” kinda horseshit. The exact thing collective bargaining protects against.
Union critics love to make this a question purely about wage but I’m willing to bet it has way more to do with working conditions and curbing erratic management.
How deep is Tesla going to dig their own grave?
How exactly are they digging their own grave? The judge saw enough merit in their argument to approve an interim order in their favour regarding the suit.
I said it here before, Tesla is completly destroying their public image in europe.
Reddit ≠ the real world.
Tesla is the best selling EV in the whole of Europe right now (alongside North America), and Sweden (as a stand alone country). It has two spots in the Top 5 alone, and sold more cars to Europe than ever this year. In other words, the demand for Tesla cars in Europe has never been higher.
Just because Reddit has a narrative, does not mean reality/facts agree with it.
Who says they don’t have a good work environment? I’ve seen no proof in either direction.
The Tesla workers weren’t the ones who called the strike. It was the union itself who randomly demanded a bargaining agreement when there seemed to be nothing wrong or missing from their workers’ employment.
They have consistently elevated counts of workplace accidents, by as much as a factor of ten compared to other automotive manufacturers. Theres also a pretty high number of environmental incidents which may also be hazardous to longterm health of employees. Its not just about getting a decent wage.
This has nothing to do with their German factory. This is about workers in Sweden.
And where’s your source that they have ten times as many accidents and have many environmental accidents detrimental to the workers’ health?
This has nothing to do with their German factory
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/tesla-gruenheide-arbeitsunfaelle-umwelt-100.html
Ill admit I misremembered - its just 3x as many incidents. Still not good, especially as these are only the ones they had to report, where people died or were unable to work for more than three days. And while these numbers are for the german factory, the environment is the same. Same company, same lack of unionisation, same structure. So if the numbers are different, its not cause Tesla is a better place to work at in Sweden.
The latter part of your question is weird though - I said theres more environmental incidents, which may have an effect on worker health. That was conjecture on my part and a reason why more protection (ie via unionisation) is important. If theres a leak in a tank full of paint, its an environmental hazard and a health hazard, even if workers arent immediately unable to work. Fumes arent great for lungs, liver, kidneys… And thats just one example of what could go wrong…
If they have good work environments and pay better than competitors with CBAs already, why not simply formalize it in a CBA? An agreement is just a baseline. It doesn’t set a top, only a bottom, and if you’re already above the bottom then it won’t affect you as a company in the least.
Who says they don’t have a good work environment?
Tesla does, by claiming their workers have better conditions than the union mandated minimums, while refusing to join the union agreements.
That logic makes zero sense.
Um an awful lot of us in Europe really don’t like unions. In France they are a PITA. A lot of workers are cheering on Tesla here. Sweden is one of those rare countries where the government will collude with unions to destroy a private company. Many other EU countries there is more of an acrimonious relationship between government and unions.
Phillip.
Awful is a great word, every worker in Europe is standing on the shoulders of Unions and their members that fought for their rights, you included.
Tesla and trashing their public image because their boss hits the ketamine too hard is kind of like peanut butter and jelly.
This is a guy who is upset that he’s losing business for endorsing antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Tesla and trashing their public image
Maybe for some.
I like seeing a company stand up to bullying by unions. It improves their image in my view. This subreddit, being wildly in the tank for unions, obviously will disagree and downvote this point of view.
This is a guy who thinks it’s illegal for companies to refuse to give him money for his views and the toxicity on his platform.
He is really that dumb.
Not really. Musk said that Jewish communities have endorsed anti-white racism, which is precisely true. Groups like the Anti-Defamation League have accepted trendy “antiracism” ideology, which explicitly endorses (and indeed requires) anti-white racism. Then they try to re-define the word “racism” to exclude racism against whites. But go ahead and parrot the “Musk is antisemitic” narrative if you want.
Imagine being dumb to equate anti racism with anti white 🤦♂️
The Apartheid Defense League is a bunch of white people who use Judaism and the martyrdom of Holocaust victims to mask their bigotry against Arabs and non-white Jews.
