Why assume it’s a “BS” question?

Unless you’re an EV nerd like most of us here, it’s pretty natural to assume all EVs would have a similar system, just as (virtually) all gas cars have a similar heating system; they all have a heater core that engine coolant gets diverted to, and a fan to blow the heated air into in the cabin. The heater in a 2023 Toyota Corolla isn’t really that different than one in a 1957 Chevy.

The fact that EVs use a few different systems (or a combination of them) really shows how early in the transition we are- manufacturers haven’t really settled on one “best practice” yet.

California 10 year/150K mile warranty is hybrid only (for whatever reason) and not for EVs.

No, NEMA 14-50 outlets have two 240 hots and one neutral that divide the 240 service into two 120Vs (each “side” uses one hot and the neutral. EVs typically only provide two hots (no neutral) so they output either 240V only or 120V only. A 240V EV output would lack the necessary 120V neutral.

That’s fair. As I said, it’s mediocre. Even when I had the old software, it wasn’t so bad that I’d get rid of a car over it.

The current ID infotainment system is adequate. Most folks complaining about it have never used it and are parroting (legitimate) complaints about the original 2.1 software from the 2021. The 3.1 software update fixed the lag and most if the bugs.

What’s funny is all the folks who have crapped on the 2.x and 3.x mediocre ID4 software for 2-3 years now blindly assume 4.x will be unicorns and rainbows! 😁

You’re assuming they paid $48K.

Used prices follow new. New “$50K” 2023 ID4 Pro Ss are selling for as much as $5K off MSRP right now between dealer discounts and VW incentives. After the $7500 fed tax credit, that makes them $38K net less any state incentives.

If a brand new ID4 Pro S is only $38K, what do you expect a 1-2 year old used one to sell for?

To be fair (and pedantic! 😁) the first kind is V2L (Vehicle to Load), the second is V2H (Vehicle to Home) or V2G (Vehicle to Grid).

And yes, Ford “got somewhere” with V2H on the F-150 Lightning if you buy their bi-directional charger and a transfer switch (to isolate the house from the grid during power outages protecting linemen from being hurt when repairing the grid.)

240V won’t power both phases of your house unless it supplies two split phase 120V legs like US utilities. 240V alone would only power 240V-only appliances like an electric stove, (or, ironically, a 240V EVSE.)

They hate the innate “unfairness” that other people buying the same car on the same day are paying a different price.

Personally I’ve never had a problem negotiating with dealers, but it’s certainly not a enjoyable experience. (But having said that, I’m a hypocrite because I’ve never used a “no-haggle” dealer, because I know I can do better than their no-haggle price! 😁)

In addition to the 8 million good reasons the others gave you, I’ll add you avoid all the typical AWD tire nonsense of replacing all 4 at a time, or ensuring the diameter of each tire is within a few 32nds of an inch of each other (I’m looking at you Subaru!)

EV motors are relatively cheap and crazy efficient. Two separate motors is the better way to do this. (Or, honestly, if it wasn’t, why do you think hundreds or thousands of automotive engineers all chose this solution rather than just mimicking the way it’s done on ICE cars?)

Sure ICE vehicles cost more in fuel and maintenance, but EVs have some other costs as well: - Costs relatively more to insure (adds up)

Travelers gives EV discounts. I’m paying less for my 2022 VW ID4 than I did for the 2018 Honda HRV it replaced.

Registration cost every year is higher (adds up)

Yes. You need to factor that in.

Opportunity cost: a $40k EV is generally compared to a $30k ICE car in terms of break even in 5-6 years. But people rarely mention the opportunity cost of spending the extra $10000. That $10k can make you around $1k each year if invested (subject to market risk ofcourse).

“Generally compared” by who? And if you’re going to drag opportunity cost and investing in, you wouldn’t be buying a new car, because that’s a sucker bet financially.

Supercharging is still not cheap: while still being 50% cheaper than gas, its not cheap. I see 50c/kwh near my area. And not everyone has a home to charge.

Do you have a home to charge in? That’s all that matters to you. After the last three “points” this seems like less of a decision you’re dealing with, but rather some general arguments you’re tossing out to stir up some shit and watch us all fight about in the replies.

Rate of depreciation: All cars depreciate. But some lose value faster than others. My personal feeling is EVs depreciate faster than ICE. Simply because the tech is growing so fast. The argument for ICE is that there will be less demand for ICE in future due to increasing EV market share. So, little conflicted on the right answer here

I’m not sure there’s a “right” answer. EVs tend to depreciate a little faster, but that’s mostly due to the warped effect of tax credits. Depreciation is typically calculated by comparing the current value of a car to it’s MSRP. When I bought my Nissan Leaf Plus in early 2021, it cost me $22K after all factory rebates, dealer discounts, and federal and state tax rebates, but the MSRP was actually $43,000!

Currently they’re selling used for about $20000. Using a standard depreciation formula the car has depreciated 53% in only 2 years! ($19K vs $43K.) But no one actually paid $43K new for a 2021 Nissan Leaf; mine has lost 9% of its value compared to what I paid new net.

Maybe it’s a cultural/regional thing, but where is this? Canada?

I’m in the USA, and I’ve never bought washer fluid from a dispenser.

FWIW, 90% of our charging stations are located in the parking lots of retail stores, grocery stores, and gas stations, so a bottle of washer fluid is a 2 minute walk away when I’m charging. Where are your charging stations that washer fluid isn’t available near the chargers and requires an automated dispenser with it’s own payment hardware?

Hot take: your post has a serious “let them eat cake” vibe, but I suspect you already know that.

“If poor people would just make smart financial decisions, (which require money and access to credit, of course,) they wouldn’t have to be poor…”

At first, sure. It was a necessary cost center to promote vehicle sales.

I suspect its close to profitable now (if not perhaps already profitable) so expanding it to other EVs now makes sense.

I’m not sure there’s any proof Tesla chargers are making money.

Tesla doesn’t break out the revenue and costs of their Supercharger network- they bundle those numbers with other services. In a tweet, Elon Musk once said Tesla “shoots for 10% profit” on charging, implying it was a target they hadn’t hit yet.

Public charging is necessary for EV adoption, but it’s probably still far too early in the transition for anyone to be making money at it yet.

It’s only funny when turning it on and off doesn’t fix it. 😁

Well, it is the only fast charger on Aquidneck Island! 🤷‍♂️

But this is Rhode Island; fhe entire state is only 50 x 40 miles. The next closest fast charger is 16 miles up the road in Barrington and charges $0.20/kWh.

No, I tend to overplan my road trips and research the charge stops for reliability and price before taking off.

I’ve skipped pricey 150kW chargers for cheap 62kW ChargePoints before because the price was much cheaper.

Sorry you got burned.

But to be fair, that might be an F-You price to dissuade the unwashed masses from using a BMW charger. Do they charge their own customers?

My Nissan Leaf dealer does something similar (but not as expensive.) They have a paid charger but if you want to charge your Nissan you can just ask any salesperson and they carry an RFID card that will start the charger for free.

I’m not sure I’d call 6 or 7 documented incidents a “tendency”. EA delivered nearly 7 million charging sessions in the last two years, making something like this literally a “one in a million” chance. I’m pretty comfortable with those odds.

If it happens to you or me, sure, it sucks to be us, but between the car warranty, comprehensive insurance, and (if necessary!) VW and EA’s “deep pockets” (in the “ambulance chasing attorney” sense) we’ll all be fine.

As to EV’s “burning alive”, all of these stories have been melted charge ports/wiring and a blown HV fuse link in the car to prevent the car from operating in a potentially dangerous state. No cars have really “burned” in any of these incidents.

But this particular story is a wee bit fishy given the specifics, (date and location) and nothing mentioned on PlugShare and the station is currently in full operation (all chargers online) today. Any investigation and/or repair on EA’s part would take longer to happen before the station reopened.

And let’s not forget to mention the OP is a Redditor of nearly two weeks, with two posts to their name. This one, and an 11 day old “me too” reply to an 8 month old “EA blew up my car” post.

It’s be pissed if my car was damaged by an EA station, but I’m not sure if my first response would be to create a Reddit account and broadcast my cautionary tale to the world exactly twice, with no follow ups. 🤷‍♂️