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  • boredjamaican@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Why do celebrities insist on posting about the Israel Palestine conflict? If I was famous I’d just keep my opinions to myself it’s a very nuanced issue and social media treats things as very black and white.

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      1 year ago

      It’s a multigenerational conflict that is deeply emotional for a lot of people.

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      1 year ago

      They have more to gain than the average person at least. They could appease the side they do more business with to earn themselves some money, or truly spread awareness on some issues. The average person either virtue signals (not enough power to make any difference usually, or genuinely not even doing anything in real life about it), or gets into trouble with a more powerful employer/government/enemy whatever

      The average person posting an insta story doesn’t save anyone’s life as much as we wish it did

    • Echo361@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      They’re pressured by fans and sponsors to pick a side. It’s not very nuanced though it’s tragic for civilians on both sides and when you only show support for one side you diminish what’s happening to one of the groups of innocents. However, a lot of these people have vested interests. Ukraine relies on Israel and their president comes out in support of Israel so obvious zinchencko is gonna say the same shit.(not saying I agree with it)

    • KSBrian007@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Celebrities have endorsements and agents who can be more powerful than them. Sometimes managers are bigger than celebrities.

      LBJ didn’t sit in a room with a lantern to craft that message.

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      1 year ago

      People are used to thinking their opinions matter and this is an important thing happening in the world so they feel the need to wade in on one side.

      But yes, the smart thing to do is either keep quiet or explicitly hedge what you’re saying, neither of which seems to be an option for most people on social media.

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        1 year ago

        People are used to thinking their opinions matter and this is an important thing happening in the world so they feel the need to wade in on one side.

        And that’s how Noam Chomsky went from being a respected academic linguist to a one-man comedy roadshow for his newspaper scrapbooking hobby.

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          1 year ago

          If you’re that smart then it’s gotta be a massive danger.

          I mean, the man is still smarter than me at 93 and I’m fairly certain he’ll still be smarter than me as a corpse.

      • MastofBeight@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Let’s be real here, it’s by no means a symmetrical relationship. The smart thing to do for yourself and your career in a western nation would be to say that you stand with Israel. That’s just the reality. You can get fired, doxxed, and called a supporter of terrorism for expressing support for the Palestinian people, or even suggesting the the continued Israeli occupation is the root cause of the violence and deaths on both sides.

        I won’t say much more b/c I don’t know how political I can get w/o getting banned.

        • lez566@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          This is absolute rubbish. There are loads of celebrities who publicly support the Palestinian cause. What are you on about?

          Just look at Arsenal. Zinny was forced to take down his post due to backlash while Elneny was not.

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            1 year ago

            There are literal doxxing sites dedicated to getting Palestinian activists fired from their jobs. Just this week CEOs are compiling lists of people who support the Palestinians.

            If I had to guess, I’d say Arsenal’s large international fanbase is the reason why Zinchenko had to take his post down. If the club only had English fans, I don’t think that would be the case. So yes there’s pressure on both sides but it’s especially biased towards the Israelis in most western institutions.

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              1 year ago

              Some CEOs may have asked. Meanwhile, a lot of people have signed the Harvard letter supporting the Palestinians (I assume you’re referring to that).

              The only reason it isn’t clear-cut pro-Palestinian bias this time around is because of the absolute barbarity and horror that the Palestinian Hamas committed.

              • MastofBeight@alien.topB
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                1 year ago

                Listen, I lived in the UK when I was a child for about 5 years but I’ve spent most of my life in the US, so I’m not going to pretend like I know too much about the political environment there other than what I’ve seen from the internet.

                But if the pro-Israel lobby in the UK is as aggressive it is in the US (and believe me it’s aggressive), then there isn’t really an equivalence. Yeah radical student activists and academics tend to support Palestine. Meanwhile the both leaders of the democrats, republicans, labour, and tories are staunch supporters of Israel. There are 2 laws on the books in the US that criminalize BDS, a nonviolent movement.

      • Cheesy_Pita_Parker@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Then there’s also the other side of it where people ask why they don’t use their platforms and elevated status to help effect change or bring light to atrocities. They can’t win either way

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          1 year ago

          Or don’t ask why, and simply condemn for not having done it-- or merely not having done it quickly enough.

          ‘I’d like to take a moment to better understand the situ–’

          ‘YOU MONSTER!’