• Sentrovasi@kbin.social
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    What exactly is being “supported”?

    To put it into perspective, I can claim to be a “critical supporter” of the effort to repel Russia’s attack on Ukraine, except that unlike people who claim to “critically support” the other side, I’m not claiming to “support” the aggressive oppression of a sovereign country at all.

    As such, ostensibly “critical support” for something must mean that you’d rather this shit happen than not. You can’t claim “emphasis on the critical” as though that absolves you of that burden. If you were really more critical than supporting then you’d be “critically supporting” the other side.

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          Endless civilian bombings, rape and torture of Ukrainians by invading Russians?

          “I heard they were just fighting nazis, bro. I’m just coincidentally ignorant about a horrifying war that’s been all over the news for years.”

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            “I’m just asking questions! Isn’t Germany just invading Poland to protect minorities? That’s what I heard! It’s not my claim, I’m just spreading it around!”

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        I think it’s even more abhorrent to claim to “critically support” something while being ignorant, as you claim to be, of what you’re supporting. In what world does ignorance and being critical go hand in hand?

        Saying you’re a critical supporter, then backpedaling to say you’re just asking questions, either suggests wilful ignorance, which is the worst kind of disingenuity, or plain laziness in endorsing things you don’t care enough to know about, which in the age of internet-fuelled extremism is arguably worse.

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          The old tankie dilemma - are they assholes or just incredibly stupid?

          Trick question, it’s usually both.

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          I really didn’t claim any support, as I mentioned to someone else it was a “they say this”, “no, it is more accurate to say they say this” situation

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            You’re trying to characterise it as such now, but saying “emphasis on the critical” - that’s your input suggesting that this support had merit. Hardly just saying it’s a different terminology. You’re backpedalling again.

            Regardless, a lot of people have chimed in explaining to you exactly why this is so damaging and how little merit your qualification has. If you’re as uneducated on the whole situation as you seem to be, why are you so unwilling to accept that it’s probably wrong?

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              The emphasis on critical was meant to suggest hesitatancy or the acknowledgment of nuance to their actions not necessarily my personal beliefs. I do however believe that NATO had a lot to do with the start of this was as I’ve quite recently discovered since the beginning of this thread.

              As for my argumentative nature, I don’t like when my words are misinterpreted and used to claim things I did not say so it made me instinctually hostile. I also have trouble just letting things rest or ignoring situations. Anyway I’m working on educating myself I just think strawmans are dumb