Parenting hits different when your intelligence is artificial
I know this is about the AI but the unaddressed elephant in the room is that people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected or really wanted. Society constantly puts pressure on people having kids.
I know people who would die to have children so they can see them become successful well adjusted adults. Those people can have kids.
I also know people who dont want to have kids. They dont have to.
I also also know people who really want kids, but in the way a person would want a dog, so they can train it to be good, hit it when its bad, and itll never be older than 3 years because they havent thought that far ahead. These people should be sterilized.
Hah yeah I agree on the last statement. That’s why I have such a negative outlook on the subject. Once you fill out CPS reports, you start to have more negative outlooks such as maybe there should be a license to have kids.
people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected
dude…so much this.
I had zero romantic thoughts of having kids. I didn’t even want them, honestly. my wife and literally everyone around us on the other hand, very much so wanted us to have kids.
don’t judge though. as a current parent I don’t ignore my responsibilities and fully intend on giving my kids the best I can. at least, a better more loving home than I had.
but man, life would be so much easier without them. I literally could be on a beach somewhere in the world right now if I didn’t have kids. have lunch in Paris. then stop by in Denmark for some dinner.
by the time they can stand on their own I’ll be dead. so now I can only save money in hopes to help soften any financial hardships they will need to endure.
I’ve been playing around with the idea of recording some “dad’s wisdom” videos for them when they get older and I’m not around.
The video idea sounds pretty good.
I went separate ways with my ex-fiancee over this topic. It wasn’t so much as I was against having kids, I had conditions such as financial stability and owning a home. And deep down I didn’t want to take care of two people and be financially responsible for everything, my ex-fiancee already had a hard time holding down a job.
But like you said, even now that I have my own place, I’m more motivated to travel than get into that lifestyle. I’m sure I would have been a decent parent having worked in education but the tradeoffs are too steep for me.
That’s not true. My father was a terrible parent and that was decades ago. Tech Bros. think they invented bad parenting now.
Honestly the best thing my father could have done for me was not try to parent me because he was a fucking asshole that had no idea how to relate to children. I guess you could say I’m a glass half full kind of guy.
Yeah, I’m glad my dad was absent so I didn’t get his attachment disorder
I thought this was satire, but it appears to be real.
Futurama just gets it
This is exactly what I came into the comments to see.
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If this is real that guy is an absolute psycho who probably shouldn’t be responsible of children.
This reminds me of the programmer who wrote a script to text his girlfriend at random intervals to say one of a list of phrases like “I am thinking about you,” or “How is your day going?” Big tech thinks that all human interaction can be automated and when it comes to getting people addicted to and entirely dependent on social media they are kind of right.
The concept of “it’s the thought that counts” is lost on these people.
Seriously, how do they not see the issue with automating a script that says “I’m thinking of you”.
I know right, make her text you
Me: “Why dont you come visit and talk to me in the nursing home?”
My kids: “just talk to grok”
I’m sure there is a good few older people who would find a lot of comfort in Groks world view.
Parenting hits really different when you’re an idiot and a sociopath.
Alvin there doesn’t want to bother talking to his child.
Parenting hits different when you work in AI
Yeah, hits like mental abuse.
I knew people were gonna be obsessed with AI, but I genuinely never thought people would surrender all executive function and thought to what is, ultimately, a very elaborate and planet destroying if=then machine.
the amount of people I have seen becoming totally dependent on it is ridiculous. There are people who cant even have human interaction anymore without running it through their AI model to process the message, and produce a reply.
and its 100% invading the real world too, I dont know the whole details cause you try to turn your ears off at the pharmacy to not hear other peoples private information… but there was a woman getting very heated with one of the pharmacy people and I only took notice when she slammed her phone on the counter, aggressively pointed at it, and said very loudly “I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU SAY, LOOK, RIGHT HERE, MY AI SAYS YOU’RE WRONG” in a that kareny way that says her and her AI was 100% wrong.
Damn I try to keep my mouth shut but if someone screamed that near me I’d be interjecting. Like goddamnit the AI does not know anything.
It’s a machine modeling human speech. It’s all a hallucination and sometimes that hallucination is straight up lies and sometimes, hopefully most of the time, it aligns with actual reality.
I fucking loathe that people won’t take 15 minutes to just read a basic primer on what an LLM is. It’s a fancy autocorrect, and yeah it’s way more complex than that but at the end of a day it’s made to model realistic human language output - and that’s it. It doesn’t have any actual knowledge, it doesn’t have any way to know if what it says is true or not, and it certainly doesn’t know if what it says is insane.
I think I fall a bit between the people who use it for everything and your opinion of it.
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion. I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year. It’s obviously useful technology it’s just people have this tendency to overuse it.
It’s kind of like how in the early 2000s they were putting Bluetooth in everything. Eventually we’ll work out what it’s useful for and only use it to that we just have to wait for the frenzy to die down.
I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year.
And was the code better, cleaner and more readable? Moreover did it actually still do what it was supposed to and not introduce further unknowns?
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion.
Unhelpful in the sense that it is what it actually is or unhelpful in the sense that it makes you question the fake narrative we’re getting shoveled to us by tech bros and traditional mass media?
Like that’s just what it is. All I want is folks to be honest about the limitations of this tech and what is underpinning it. It’s still very impressive but at the end of the day there will always be an inherent problem with LLM in that they are non deterministic - you can give the same AI the exact same prompt 10 times and you’ll get 10 different replies.
There is no way to get around that. You can’t have a perfectly predictable output and even 1% of the time error is not good enough for widespread adoption when a mistake could mean someone dies or is horribly injured or loses a ton of money etc etc
I don’t understand what people use it for. At work I use it because it’s much easier to ask an AI than try and deal with our crap internal documentation. People who use AI in their personal lives are just weird to me.
The only technology I really use is a digital calendar, which is an objectively superior product to the paper-based calendar simply because it gets updated by the whole family and stays in sync. I don’t have smart light switches, or cameras in every room, if a hard drive on my computer breaks then I lose all my data there’s nothing on there that I really care about, I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
Bogos binted?
So will the divorce bud.
That poor kid, Imagine your own father thinks so little of you that he would rather spend 10X the time to train a clanker just so he doesn’t have to spend time with you.
I’m guessing some day he will be one of those oblivious assholes on facebook whining because his kids cut off contact.
“Dad, do you want to play catch?”
“Who are you? Oh, ohhhh…Best I can do is get one of those dog ball throwing machine things!”
“Ok Google, buy me a dog ball throwing machine”
Siri, play Cats in the Cradle
This song fucked me up when my first was born.
His wife is going to leave him, and he will have no idea why.
He will ask ChatGPT and it will give him an answer
“Tremendous observation! You were right to try to be better as a father with the help of AI. You did nothing wrong.”
Probably.
Having to use AI daily I’m curious if I’m rare in this respect.
Do other people also hate the fact that the responses are modelled in a way that are basically sucking you off?
Then when you challenge a response (they lie so goddamn much) they suck you off even more.
I don’t use AI, mostly because I just don’t see a use case for it personally, but the ass kissing is definitely something I don’t enjoy either.
Being surrounded by sychophants can be a very bad thing.
I noticed Copilot doing this and I told it to stop that behaviour through the customization prompt. “I don’t want platitudes, flattery, or an AI that agrees with me. I need an answer with sources and nothing else.” seems to have fixed its worst tendencies for now.
Now that I am forced to use it for work I at least get output that’s usable. The only thing that still irks me is when it attempts to speak from experience (“In my experience…”) and when it attempts to humanize itself (“Personally…”). I haven’t managed to kill those behaviours yet, but they are getting really annoying.
I’m stuck using Copilot for work, and for 3-4 months I began every prompt with ‘Do not comment or offer an opinion on my query’ and eventually Copilot stopped with the sycophancy.
Now I’m actively working on deprogramming myself of the notion of speaking to it as a human and making a point to treat it like an old-school MS-DOS ish OS and give it commands instead of being conversational, because it’s important to remember that this fucking thing is a computer program.
Seriously and it will sometimes drop my name like fuck off you are not a person do not refer to me like you are
I just told Claude yesterday to never refer to me by name. Fucking creeps me out.
Interesting. I haven’t had that happen.
But I found that programming it to speak to me manipulatively was demeaning and infantile, though sadly it’s proven to be an excellent design decision for mass adoption. For me, personally, it’s just important to keep this thing I’m forced to use in context.
Yeah that sycophantic behavior really creeps me the hell out
This kind of weird profile scanning stuff is why i refuse to use anything other than a local model. It doesnt get to know anything about me other than what i tell it, and that only applies to whatever folder/conversation im currently in
I start most queries with “be terse”. 2 words that strip out all of the conversational BS and examples and alternate views et cetera.
Might wanna change that abbreviation there. Unless it was intentional?
It was meant to be ironic, yes, but point taken. My most recent video on my YT channel was about the leak to 404 media that people are using Copilot to create CSAM, but there are probably better ways to refer to the program derisively.
I think CP has been replaced by CSAM these days.
Gen Z might not ide right CP as taboo.
Absolutely. I must use Claude at work. I put instructions in my CLAUDE.MD to, “lay off the sycophantic bullshit. No praise or extraneous details, just deliver answers.”
It doesn’t work, per se… But it seems to reduce the attempted fellatio, at least a little.
I like to use the ADHD output style to condense the output.
You are my fucking hero. I had never heard of this.
Yeah I might have to try that.
As an aside having used all flavours from a coding perspective Claude is just chef’s kiss.
Copilot can burn in a fire.
I think anyone who isn’t an American hates that, and probably even some of them. For Gemini at work I’ve got a custom gem set up with explicit instructions to cut that shit out and just be as factual as possible.
What does he need a wife for when he has ChatGPT?
I dunno. Try asking ChatGPT.
Answer: good that she left, she didn’t go with the times
Don’t worry. He’ll be able to create a sycophant AI wife shortly after
And I think he wouldn’t even care. I mean he’s himself actively making an effort to get out of the relationship and replace himself by an AI. At that point it doesn’t even matter if he’s doing it, she’s doing it and whether the replacement is made up of flesh and bones or electricity. He’s dispensable.
Shit sticks together, what makes you think she would leave?
What part of simply asking her husband to be involved with their child made you think she’s shit? People change over time. He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
Same part as what makes you guys thing she would. Basically boils down to, we have no idea what they are like!
We have one data point: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked. It provides some small level of support for the stance you’re arguing against.
It does not support your contrarian response at all.
So, no. It doesn’t boil down to the same thing.
It does, if you choose not to understand that, no problem. We have no idea what the next response from the wife could be. “Wow, that’s an amazing idea honey!” is just as likely considering she married this man.
You’re a very strange person.
That makes at least three of us in this thread!
Reread what I said.
Understand that you need to INVENT something that isn’t part of the evidence to support your position. That is not the same as overeager extrapolation from what IS available.
Hivemind goes crazy. You fabricated that in the same way I did. There’s no telling what the wife reaction would be, so you can infer anything from the tweet.
Nobody is denying this: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked
The point you are arguing is that his wife would leave him from things like this, which is assuming that his wife would object to his “familial responsibility avoidance”, which is the same as assuming she would not object to it. You are inventing the wife having a negative reaction, I am saying the wife could have a positive reaction.
Also, you invented something first, pot calling the kettle black.
He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
