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When I went to Japan I didn’t tip because it was rude.
If I’ll go to USA I won’t tip unless I want to because expecting tips is rude.
America has entered the smug European fucking over the locals phase of being a third world country
Do waiters in Europe get paid a living wage and live comfortably? Serious question
Fun fact: These states require tippable workers to be paid the full minimum wage:
- Alaska
- California
- Guam
- Minnesota
- Nevada
- Oregon
Source: Department of Labor - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
Will never happen. All this will do is fuck service workers over.
Wow keep it up
As others have said, these European tourists aren’t helping the system by doing this.
They are however, getting to enjoy acting like the very worst Americans - the ones who don’t tip and feel smug about it.
But Europeans do tip. It’s considered good manners to round up the bill (5-10%).
Don’t hurt fellow workers unless you’re a capitalist.
If you don’t like tipping culture, don’t screw the worker while inconveniencing the restaurant not at all. Boycott the restaurants unless they pay fair wages. Go to the grocery store. Plenty of good meals to be found there.
Be honest; No one that would travel from Europe to the World Cup cares one bit about social issues.
Of course not, the tip is just viewed as an additional surcharge and they don’t want to spend that money. The social issue is very likely, if at all, just an after-the-fact rationalisation/justification.
We’re coming to the US to see the fall of rome, my dude.
The collapse of your nation is our spectacle.
Smile, you’re on TV! :)
If you’re going to the US, you’re supporting whatever is going on over there. It makes you worse than the many people in the US that were born there for no fault of their own, now trying to work against it.
Schadenfreude, while very natural, is bad enough by itself, actually increasing the Schaden is even worse. So I’m not sure exactly what you’d be celebrating, except your own shittyness.
And I’m not from the US, so “my” nation isn’t even the one you’re talking about.
It’s rough seeing how smug europeans are about american fascism when every time you look at european news you see their own fascist splinter groups gaining more political traction with none of them really doing anything about it. Maybe worry about yourselves before worrying about us, right?
You are not wrong, but fucking all american shit comes here with a 10 year delay for some reason (obesity, economic crisis, far right/proto fascism, anti vax, neoliberalism, the list goes on and on and on) so maybe that’s why people like to have a go at your country when it looks like you’re beating up yourselves while making it a spectacle.
I hope you’ll finally figure it out, good luck!
Unfortunately, the US regularly intervenes in foreign countries’ affairs, so it’s not possible and geopolitically pretty stupid to not worry about the US. You can worry about both, though.
You can worry about both, though.
The issue is they aren’t. They just complain about the US and ignore their own country moving down that path. When they have the best ability to prevent it from getting bad early.
You know that almost all far right parties in Europe get money from the MAGAts, right?
Yeah. It’s interesting they all working together (despite being nationalistic) sending each other funds, and they all have a very positive view towards Russia.
I’m surprised there people who believe it is all organic.
About a decade ago, Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe with money from the Koch Foundation openly to “Fund Far-Right parties”.
In many places in Europe the rise of the Far-Right happened after that.
Similarly, in Britain it turned out that most of the social media manipulation in favor of Leave was done by Cambridge Analitica, a British company which was being paid to do it by wealthy Americans.
America actively funds the Far-Right in Europe, especially the anti-EU crowd since EU member nations were a lot easier to push around by America and American interests individually, than they are grouped into the EU (even if parts of the EU, such as the EU Commission, have pretty much sold themselves out to large American companies)
And MAGAts got their money from far right Europeans. What’s your point?
Uhhuh sure buddy. Lets pretend its spooky secretive europeans funding the american fascism parties.
Funded by not Americans.
No being a fucking billionaire South African who can go wherever he wants isn’t an American. There’s multiple of those people, even!
Yeah they love pointing at European fascism but being remarkably blind at drawing the connections themselves.
Your country started that. And because your double agent of a president is Putin’s pawn, guess what? Putin received leeway to muddy Europe’s water too, with an unstoppable hybrid war. Every news article, every forum, every community I used to visit is now filled with bots that, as soon as politics is mentioned, chimes in about the “rapist immigrants that are stealing your job” and how “Europe is a failed continent that’ll turn your kids trans/gay”.
It’s hilarious, isn’t it? US and Russia shit on ME and Africa, which causes a huge wave of political and war refugees/economic immigrants to run from the horrors that YOUR country is responsible for.
And instead of us trying to think how to handle the piece of shit to the East, and how to protect our borders from illegal immigration, we have an ex-ally to the West, who is eyeing sovereign European territory.
And you have the audacity to call us smug? No, we are just familiar with history and evil men in power.
This guy is right on the money btw. You may not like it, but it be like it do.
Truth is often uncomfortable
Europe invented fascism I don’t care :)
Now, the standard American reply. A snide remark.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Stop with this nonsense Trump is a continuation of a long tradition of American imperialism not a “Russian puppet”.
Yeah, you might be right. Team world police. Look how upvoted the American comment is, but as soon as you point out that they’ve been bombing brown people for the past 60 years, they get cunty
Yeah but then they don’t get to circlejerk about how superior they are.
The problem is that the 340 million people there are incredibly diverse. While a large part would circlejerk about how superior they are, another large part wouldn’t. It’s easy and fun to lump all Americans together, and even mandated by our brains inability to process such large numbers, but doing it always unfortunately alienates the ones that do not exhibit the traits you ridicule.
It’s so much better (and useful) to just ridicule the traits/behaviors themselves instead of the relatively unrelated nationality. There’s nationalists and smug superiority everywhere.
Jesus christ your nation as a nation is a plague on the world and there’s nothing strange about calling that out. You people always hide behind “not everyone in the Third Reich is a nazi!”, well gee, my bad, go right ahead then!
We don’t circlejerk about how “superior” we are, even if it feels that way.
We’re usually dunking on you for being a bunch of violent, dumb fuckheads.
I wouldn’t go there because I don’t have an X or twitter for them to interrogate my opinions… and I’m far too jokey to not upset people and get myself in trouble with people in “authority”.
I’ve gotta wait out the American decline until some time after Balkanisation and they start removing some of the guns. Honestly, it seems about as sensible as going to do tourism in the congo.
Join in with us, pass the popcorn then.
Celebrating other people’s misery is the reason humans could never get along in the first place. It’s tribalism, same thing they’ve used for thousands of years to divide people.
Don’t worry, European countries have their own fascism problem, not far behind the U.S.
Then we can all be miserable together.
And this will be the first time in history that fascists in power have access to a fully-immersive (and inescapable) digital panopticon complete with AI to process more data that humans would be capable of doing unassisted, and adding concerningly high rates of hallucinations on top of it, even aside from the biases and spins that are baked into their algorithms…
Oh and military technology has come a long way since the last time fascists gained enough influence to threaten the world order…
This isn’t going to be good if we can’t all pull ourselves out of this death spiral before it’s too late…
Why’d you assume he’s from the US?
Send in the Goths, and hurry!
Jesus Christ you clap for your own demise.
Sounds of cheering when the America is glassing the sandbox
The boomerang is coming home and the schadenfreude is too enticing.
Lol dumbass doesn’t understand his country is comming with. Where you live dope? I’ll give you an in depth economic breakdown of how you’re fucked even if your entire retirement account is rheinmetal
lol, you’re “comming” at me with rage and bluster and illiteracy. Get fucked moron.
How you invested bud?
I track a daily ETF of your mother, your sister and your father.
So you don’t even have money to invest. Good luck 🥲
Also, all the bars and restaurants started tacking a 20% “tip” straight into the bill instead of making it voluntary.
I wouldn’t blame them after these reports. Need to hold rude Europeans accountable.
Or you know. Fuck tipping culture instead of paying your employees. The bar is charging $8 for 80 cents of bottom shelf booze in a mixed drink and right now they’re swamped in business with people racking up hundreds in drinks and bar food. You don’t think they could afford to bonus out their staff?
Fuck you.
You dont have to come here shit bag. Nice job proving magats right about how awful forgeners are.
I’m not saying they couldn’t, I’m saying they won’t. You’re happy to patronize those locations and give the owners $8/drink but not pay the staff.
Fuck you, friend.
Not a single one?
Can’t support corrupt organizations and regimes and also claim to be socially aware. Mutual exclusivity.
No ethical consumption under capitalism. Can believe workers should be paid by the business owner and not by patron tips and believe that going to a world cup match to watch your country play your favorite sport is no worse than shopping at a big box store or paying your landlord.
It’s a big world mate and I can’t always be aware of every shitty thing going on at all times. Not only for logistical reasons, but also for mental health reasons.
I didn’t state that you must know everything, but you can’t claim to be aware of social issues if you’re willfully ignorant.
I don’t think the definitive no one is true. While a lot of them couldn’t care less. I’m sure there are some that do.
This is hilarious. If you thought the American capitalists were greedy, pig headed assholes who smugly step on anyone they perceive to be under them while acting like they are helping them, here come the European football fans.
This is a race to the bottom of capitalist assholes trying to get one back on America by further exploiting their proles.
What a gross thing to be proud of!
A tip is meant to be “Here’s an extra $10, I know you’re already getting paid a living wage, but you went above and beyond and were the star show the show, you deserve it.” That’s not what we have in the USA, we have some broken tipped minimum wage that makes it feel like an obligation. It’s broken.
As much as I hate tipping (I also don’t get paid extra money for simply doing my fucking job), it is different in third world countries like the USA (a large country in north america, close to Canada and Mexico), which lacks fundamental human rights and a social security system. There, waiters in restaurants usually need tips for earning a living wage as restaurant owners do not or barely pay them. Therefore, tipping is not only polite but also necessary to not additionally punish workers for a system they are barely responsible for. Let’s hope that civilised countries start development projects in the USA in order to improve the system and living conditions of these people.
Political change is difficult as the USA is stuck in a quasi-democratic two-party system that is currently developing towards a dictatorship. But maybe through enough time and effort we can help this country and it’s people to get on a better track.
I’m sure workers get paid minimum regardless. Tips are a way for the employer to pay sub-minimum wage, as long as they add up above minimum wage in the end.
It’s a federal law…there are a lot of tip based restaurant workers out there who oppose the no tipping and get paid a wage. They can make a lot more via tips, than a salary. It’s a shit position we have in the US.
Absolutely. I think it depends on a few things though. Since federal minimum is still 7.25, any tipped employee in those states with no higher minimum would absolutely hate a salary unless there was still tipping culture. But also, as someone who worked in decent and shitty restaurants alike, the clientelle is a big decider. In a shitty place, I’d rather have a salary, because the people are so selfish and entitled that they refuse to tip if we didn’t serve something that was never on the menu, or think $2 is suitable for a $20-$50 meal. In a better place, where tips are more consistent and proportional, tips are a better choice.
On point, but “quasi-democratic” is a bit over the top.
(American here, it’s not democratic at all really)
If you don’t tip, the waiter literally paid for your meal. You’re stealing. It’s very fucked up to not tip. Employees will spit in or step on your food if you’re known not to tip.
We are not developing towards a dictatorship. We have an electoral college. Our presidents have always been decided for us, and our vote for presidency is and always has been merely performative.
I know you probably think you’re joking by calling us a third world country, you think you’re being cute. There are places in the US which are more impoverished than in India, for example West Virginia and Mississippi. I know this because I have heard this comment from Indian doctors who come to the US, both in person and in filmed interviews.
Noone forces these workers to work there. The problem is that they consciously agree to this
You do know that a lot of people don’t have the option to choose? There is only a limited availability of jobs and sometimes no suitable alternative.
Also, given how it’s legal in the USA to actively suppress the formation of unions, which could make things maybe a tiny little bit better, your comment seems really ignorant of the realities a lot of people have to live in.
We’re really getting the third word experience now.
Noone forces these workers to work there.
People like you do. You expect these restaurants to be open and available when convenient for you to eat at them, but at the same time don’t want them to make a living wage.
It’s the same argument as “Minimum wage is supposed to be for high school kids” while wanting McDonald’s at 10am on a Tuesday.
Primus~ “Rent is a week late, I have to get a job now, anything!”
Secundus~ “No one forces you to live in an apartment and eat food”
Primus~ “Yeah, you got me, you win the argument. You are the debate master!” (everyone claps)
and they call themselves a first world country…
