Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let’s not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they’re not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It’s not fucking hard you cunts
Does human have right to exist?
If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.
However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn’t make sense.
Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn’t have the right to exist.
Israel is not israeli people, the former of which has no right to exist, the latter of which exists as a temporary and exceedingly new political fiction.
To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.
So much of the conflict in the West is viewed from a Biblical lens. Israel represents the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland! But really what present-day Israel represents is the spiritual descendants of the Biblical Israel ruling over and occupying the genetic descendants of the Biblical Israel.
Through this thread, a common identity could be forged. That kind of shared identity is the kind of thing that national identities could be forged from. Instead of “Israel” being defined as “the Jewish homeland.” “Israel” could be defined as “the home of the genetic and spiritual descendants of ancient Israel.” This conflict need not always be “the Jews vs the Palestinians.” It could simply be one type of Israeli and another type of Israeli. Some claim that name by blood. Some claim that name by religion. But both are united in one nation.
To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.
Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture.
That’s the thing; under the UN charter, peoples have a right to exist, not states. Basically, what becomes of the region should be decided by the entire population living in it, but it seems like half of said population isn’t getting much of a voice.
She claimed there was no real separate Palestinian Arab identity from for example the Arabs in Jordan. That might even be true for the 1920s and earlier.
It took a while for Palestinian identity and nationalism to fully emerge and organize, including calling themselves Palestinians. By the founding of the PLO this has clearly achieved.
The name Palestinian was used by Jews in Palestine to describe themselves before Israel‘s independence. During the British Mandate Palestinian Arabs were not so fond of the word Palestinian to describe themselves, although some did.
It’s mainly an argument about the emergence of identity and the how words change meaning over time.
The League of Nations had designated Palestine as a future homeland for the Jewish people. Only a minority of local Arabs welcomed those that came.
Palestinian Arabs started the violent Arab Revolt in 1939 in order to stop Jewish refugees from immigrating. The British accommodated them by severely restricting the number of Jews they allowed into the country. They took it seriously. Thousands of Jewish refugees were held by the British in camps on Cyprus during the 1940s.
Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let’s not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they’re not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It’s not fucking hard you cunts
It is really hard if you’re only able to see the world in binary choices, which seems to be a common root of issues around the world
This is basically the downfall of America.
As a non-American it doesn’t appear as a loss really…
I just hope they don’t import their culture war BS here any further.
Unabated social media will take down other countries too
I think we should require all social media be federated and generally domestic
What’s lost and worthy was lost long ago
Does human have right to exist? If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.
However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn’t make sense.
Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn’t have the right to exist.
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist though, it’s explicitly from the outset a genocidal colony in stolen land
Israel is not israeli people, the former of which has no right to exist, the latter of which exists as a temporary and exceedingly new political fiction.
To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.
So much of the conflict in the West is viewed from a Biblical lens. Israel represents the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland! But really what present-day Israel represents is the spiritual descendants of the Biblical Israel ruling over and occupying the genetic descendants of the Biblical Israel.
Through this thread, a common identity could be forged. That kind of shared identity is the kind of thing that national identities could be forged from. Instead of “Israel” being defined as “the Jewish homeland.” “Israel” could be defined as “the home of the genetic and spiritual descendants of ancient Israel.” This conflict need not always be “the Jews vs the Palestinians.” It could simply be one type of Israeli and another type of Israeli. Some claim that name by blood. Some claim that name by religion. But both are united in one nation.
That existed before 1929.
they do if they hadnt forcibly removed palestinians from the area since ww2.
That’s the thing; under the UN charter, peoples have a right to exist, not states. Basically, what becomes of the region should be decided by the entire population living in it, but it seems like half of said population isn’t getting much of a voice.
She claimed there was no real separate Palestinian Arab identity from for example the Arabs in Jordan. That might even be true for the 1920s and earlier.
It took a while for Palestinian identity and nationalism to fully emerge and organize, including calling themselves Palestinians. By the founding of the PLO this has clearly achieved.
The name Palestinian was used by Jews in Palestine to describe themselves before Israel‘s independence. During the British Mandate Palestinian Arabs were not so fond of the word Palestinian to describe themselves, although some did.
It’s mainly an argument about the emergence of identity and the how words change meaning over time.
Quite frankly, they don’t.
They were invited refuge, turned violent and annexed the region, and have continued to be violent bloodthirsty pigs ever since.
The League of Nations had designated Palestine as a future homeland for the Jewish people. Only a minority of local Arabs welcomed those that came.
Palestinian Arabs started the violent Arab Revolt in 1939 in order to stop Jewish refugees from immigrating. The British accommodated them by severely restricting the number of Jews they allowed into the country. They took it seriously. Thousands of Jewish refugees were held by the British in camps on Cyprus during the 1940s.