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Fun fact, did you know that google deliberately makes their products run worse on browsers like Firefox so users will think the browsers are slow? Please support Firefox, it’s the only real browser not based on Googles technology (like Brave is), and it’s actively fighting Google’s monopoly on web browsing.
Firefox is based. Glad I switched over recently.
Librewolf is a fork of Firefox, and is absolutely better for privacy and security; way more based than Firefox, you should check it out m8 :)
Using LibreWolf right now! The experience is smooth most of the time, although you do need to switch to Firefox when you need to view DRM-controlled content (like when participating an online course, for example).
Yeah DRM content is why I’m on Firefox instead of Librewolf. I may look into hardening FF in the near future
“The job isn’t done, until Lotus won’t run” - attributed to Bill Gates/Microsoft
User experience is actually better if you’re not using chrome since you won’t be subject to Google’s a/b tests
Remember when the FTC actually did- well anything. I 'member (actually i don’t cos i wasn’t alive when they did)
I know it’s easy to claim that, but is there any actual proof of that?
duckduckgo browser is also not chromium
Sorry to disappoint you but it does. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo if you check out the Browser section, it literally says DDG browser is using Blink, which is the Chromium engine.
duckduckgo browser is just a webview2 wrapper, which is a edge wrapper, which is just a chromium wrapper, which is…
Mistake #1, using chrome. Just switch to firefox
or bravejust use firefoxFirefox is good, and mental outlaw has some good videos of how to initially set it up
I’m on my way.
Brave = chrome
Switch to Firefox period.
What’s wrong with it? Serious question.
Chromium is absolutely massive, and it’s very hard to be sure all the nasty Google telemetry has been ripped out.
Brave is also run by crypto shills, and they were caught auto-editing URLs to be referral links (!) a while back.
Damn, I’ve never actually used it but have heard good about it. Just another Firefox win though.
they were caught auto-editing URLs
DAMN. I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing.
It’s based on Chromium. Chromium is developed by Google and is the base of Chrome as well.
Chromium is FOSS though.
Aside from it being made by Google, it supports a monoculture/monopoly in browsing. We’ve been down the path before. It isn’t good. Even if you are using Brave, you are still supporting the Blink monopoly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8O97U1Pbc but also the “crypto crap” is very controversial, and settings are not synced properly when using Brave sync? For some reason, when I had to distrohop and I had my settings synced, I never got the crypto crap disabled automatically. And I had to redo a lot of my front page settings, every. single. time. That’s what I don’t like about it. But my opinion is my own, and I myself use Vivaldi because I’m a customisation freak and Firefox doesn’t cut it for me.
I wish Gnome Web had add-on support. It’s UI is great and runs beautifully.
‘No I dont think I will’
Use Firefox btw
+1 for Firefox, it’s a great experience on both desktop and mobile!
It’s a terrible mobile browser…
I honestly gave it a go, and I liked that I could run ad blocking, but the constant crashing and poor website rendering shoved me back to chrome on mobile a couple weeks ago. I’d rather deal with ads and have the browser be stable apparently.
What’s not working? Most broken websites are fixed by having it flag itself as chrome mobile, which is telling that your falling for what Google wants right now. And what crashes are you getting? I get one no more than once a week if that and I have over 100 tabs open
Wait, you guys get crashes on Firefox Mobile? Like legit, I was using Firefox for months, in fact, nearly a year, with over 100 tabs opened constantly (it showed up as an Infinity sign, lol) and I don’t remember ever having Firefox crash on me. That’s unusual.
I didn’t have a list of every website that screwed up, but when one did I’d have to close the tab and reopen and it’d work, which sucks when you are actually navigating the Internet.
It wasn’t that the stuff wouldn’t load on Firefox it’s that it would freeze and need to be dumped and retried. This happened very frequently.
Actual crashes were almost daily for me (with maybe 5 open tabs running on a Samsung flip 4, so pretty decent hardware)
Which sucks because I’d like Firefox to work on mobile, setting aside privacy and ads, the UI is much better in general. But it’s bad at being a browser.
When was the last time you used it? A few years back it was terrible, but it’s gotten much better.
I use it on mobile just for uBlock. As far as I know it’s the only mobile browser that supports extensions. If you use their nightly version it can use any extension that you can get on desktop. The base version only supports a few extension, but uBlock is one of them.
Wish Firefox goes with Vivaldi direction. I can’t try another browser since I 'm so addicted to gestures. Plus a lot more customization is available.
There are extensions for gestures.
Firefox for life! Well as long as they don’t go evil or bankrupt. I am not surprised at all though.
- Kneecap plugin performance especially for AdBlock plugins claiming it’s for security.
- Notify users that those plugins are slowing down Chrome.
- ???
- Profit… or people hopefully switch
/r/firefox is also still closed and opened up on https://fedia.io/m/firefox. So firefox people are cool in general. 🦊
Well as long as they don’t go evil or bankrupt
If they do, there is always LibreWolf.
Maintaining a browser is an insane amount of work. Without Mozilla working on Firefox, LibreWolf will stagnate and become unusable.
Firefox for life
It’s not just a Chrome-, it’s a Google thing. If you want to install F-Droid or Exodus on Android today, you have to get past Google’s warning that you are putting malware on your device.
as they don’t go evil
Well… anyone who packs their advertising through third-party sites has long since defected to the dark side. It seems to me that the ghost of Brendan Eich is still haunting Mozilla.
I mean, they’ve already started cutting some features I have used… So I’ve got Firefox and Pale Moon on my PC to cover the loss of ftp support. And since some pages don’t work in Firefox in either instance of engine, I have to have Chrome installed…
It genuinely sucks that some websites don’t bother to support Firefox! When you encounter one, you might want to complain to the devs and open a webcompat issue.
I have already encountered some websites which didn’t work with Chrome very well, but did with Firefox. They mentioned it’s because of how Chrome now handles audio, the audio doesn’t start.
Their recent advertising of their VPN has set some worrisome trends; here’s to hope they stop that nonsense before we have to move to a fork.
I mean, it’s not great, but it’s also not the worst. You can also disable it. Chrome gets money by collecting your data to use for advertising purposes. Firefox doesn’t do that, so I don’t see much harm in them advertising some of their products a couple times a year. Even wikipedia advertises their own donation period, trying to encourage users to donate.
If it were a persistent banner, that would be different. But a one time closable window, that can also be disabled, is really not that terrible. Companies need money, after all.
I mean, when an extension needs to block 300 ads…
And some sites are trying to load them again, and again, and again, so the poor plugin has no choice than to go hard on resources.
Why even use Google Chrome 👁👄👁
My work mandates it unfortunately.
They mandate the browser you use? Seems a little overbearing.
Our website works best with Chrome so they want us to use Chrome. Blame the people we outsource to in India, I guess.
Use Vivaldi then. It’s Chromium based, but they care about privacy and there’s tons of ways to configure it
For starters, Teams doesn’t work in Firefox. And good luck convincing your company (or its clients) to stop using Teams. And the native teams client on Linux is even worse than using it in the browser.
You have no idea.
Such a baseless statement. Ad blockers actually improve performance by removing random junk videos, and images from running on the site.
I’m so glad to have switched to Firefox.
Yes, but if I remember correctly, the UBlock Origin devs said that the current restrictions in Chrome prevent some of the performance improvements seen in FFx because the filtering is done after the element is downloaded. So, it still has to transfer, but isn’t rendered or executed. I could be mistaken, though.
Came to say the same. My low-end laptop is only able to browse the internet thanks to adblock.
Firefox + DuckDuckGo search engine
nah, search.brave.com is the new duckieduckie
Not sure why people are downvoting you. I agree with this sentiment. Results are better than DDG and even has bangs. They even have their Brave AI like Google’s small pop-up boxes when searching for questions, etc.
I suppose Brave is a sketchy company itself, but I’ve read the privacy policy and ToS for brave, and I see nothing sketchy. It’s nice and private, as search engines should be.
Eh, its just their built-in cryptominer that makes folks insecure. Other than that, its a pretty gucci browser.
And regarding downvotes…? Something something “(Any sort of negative behavior) is the best form of flattery.”
It’s a built-in cryptominer, it’s the ideological concerns about the crypto-bros in charge, it’s the insertion of their own ads, it’s the insertion of their own referral codes into users’ links, and it’s the fact that aside from all that under the hood it’s just the Chromium browser so why not just use plain-ass Chromium if you’re into that.
Brave is better equipped than even Ungoogled Chromium against most online fingerprinting and stuff. I don’t like Brave Rewards and the crypto stuff but then most of the them are either opt-in by default or easy to disable. You can even disable the VPN feature entirely using a chromium flag (about:flags). Also, the BAT stuff isn’t based on mining, just ads. The affiliate link thing was scummy for sure though.
Just another bing frontend
What about DuckDuckGo on PC and Brave on mobile?
Firefox + ublock origin + DuckDuckGo on mobile.
…I was about to post about it – “Embrace the lion side of the force” but yeah, doubleduck isnt that great anymore and you should use brave search engine for both pc and mobile instead. That also goes for the brave browser.
What about SearX?
SearX/SearXNG quite goated not gonna lie.
You should switch from chrome to firefox. Less tracking built in to the browser. Also chrome is planning to deprecate manifest V2 which will break all adblockers.
adguard does have a MV2 compliant ad blocker but I’ll still use Firefox lol
Adguard is russian spyware. Also it wouldn’t matter if they have a manifest v2 compliant addon as manifest v2 is going away in less than a year. Manifest V3 breaks adblockers.
I meant MV3 compliant, got it mixed up, also russian spyware???
Yes, they were developed in Russia and moved to Cyprus a few years later. Their software also installs a root certificate so that’s fun. Here is a primer on why that’s a bad thing. You should use ublock origin if you care about adblocking and privacy.
Will this affect vanced?
Unless you use a browser that uses its own ad and tracker blocking. I get fewer ads on Vivaldi without adblocking then I get on Firefox with ublock origin.
Runs about half the resources that Firefox takes up too.
Ad block on chromium was supposed to break in January when manifest v3 came around and it doesn’t seem like much has changed on browsers that were prepared for it like Brave and V.
Edge and Chrome are fucked, but who cares about them anyways.
Unless you were running Firefx with outdated uBO filters, I doubt that. Vivaldi is a memory hog for me.
Strange, it’s literally half of Firefox with equivalent tabs.
I used vivaldi for a period, but it’s still Chromium. I’m trying to support the only non-chromium option out there. The more users Firefox has, the better. Chrome and Chromium are so dominant, it’s seriously problematic.
hmmmm
well that escalated quickly.
I’m usually vehemently anti-furry. Like, irrationally so.
But this? This I can get behind.
Getting behind it would make you very pro-furry
Understood. It’s making me rethink a lot of things about my life.
I stand with Firefox.
It’s crazy how low the firefox market share is. It’s like 3% worldwide.
For such a good browser too!
On desktop the market share is somewhat higher.
I switched back to Firefox ever since the Quantum release and have been loving it.
I wish Mozilla would spend their resources on the browser instead of wasting time and money on so many other useless projects.
So I’ve heard good and bad things about Firefox in this thread. The bad things being mainly the performance, and some sites just don’t load…
So my question to you is, If I’m comfortably browsing on Brave with uBlock on, is it really worth the switch right now?
You’re posting on Lemmy and you joined seven days ago, so it’s a safe bet that you have some opinions about Reddit. So I’ll put it this way: if you have a problem with the way Reddit concentrates power in the hands of u/Spez and want to support alternatives because of that, then you should also have a similar problem with how Chromium-based browsers concentrate power in the hands of Google and reject Brave in favor of Firefox.
Firefox had some issues like a decade ago on their old engine. In the past few years, they seriously stepped up their game.
If you’re a normal user, you probably won’t even notice the difference between Firefox and Chomium-based browsers. Sometimes I come across a weird website that doesn’t want to load properly, so I’ll open a Chrome tab for a few minutes to access it, but that’s increasingly rare.
For web development, I generally prefer Chome’s debug tools, but do all my normal browsing with Firefox.
Yeah, I am a normal user, I don’t do web development or anything like that so I’ll probably hold off on a decision until the new manifest. Thanks for your input. :)
Performance wise widely depends on the site used. Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I mean its the whole reason why Microsoft switch from Edge Edge HTML to Edge Chromium/Blink.
The only good reason right now if you want to stick with Chromium based browsers such as Brave is you’re heavily into browser based games as currently Chromium (and it’s older brother, webkit) are the ones that have the best webgl performance, Firefox can do it but not as fast as Chromium and performance impact is very noticeable
Sometimes, simply changing the user agent string to that of Chrome is enough to make a site work again. For example Street View lags on Firefox, except when identifying as Chrome.
Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I assume you’re referring to Google meet (and the screen blur functionally), this is an open issue in Firefox for years, Google is using open standards to implement that, it’s an issue in Firefox with how deadlocks work which is an extremely low level part of the browser. So it’s not an easy solve.
There’s a lot to complain about with Google, but this one isn’t their fault. They use non-proprietary implementations and it’s not their fault that Firefox will crash if they allowed Firefox users to use screen blur, the issue isn’t a high priority for Mozilla.
Nah, what I am referring to is Youtube. See here: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-youtube-down-on-non-chrome-browsers/
This isnt the only one too, there is this: https://www.ghacks.net/2019/05/28/googles-blocking-new-microsoft-edge-from-accessing-new-design/ or this one https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/19/18148736/google-youtube-microsoft-edge-intern-claims
The founder of Brave had previously been fired from Mozilla due to his homophobia. Firefox is the more ethical choice.
But it’s also perfectly fine for most web browsing, and is the only web browser I’ve seen with extensions like ublock available on mobile.
I get that something like that might sway some people, and more power to you if you don’t want to in any way support people like that. But It isn’t going to affect me personally. I’m the type to separate the art from the artist, ya know? Plus there’s more people making Brave than just that one person, so like. I dunno, this doesn’t really affect my decision in the long run. I guess I’ll just wait and see when the new manifest happens, thanks for your input though!
To me, the answer will always be “containers”. Firefox containers were a game changer and I can never go back.
The performance bit is a lottery. Some people won’t notice any significant difference from chrome. A few will have severe issues. For most the slowdown will be circumstantial or won’t even notice.
Sites that don’t load properly are few and far between. Mostly poor web developers who are doing something undocumented or applying outdated practices. Often is just targeting some behavior that works on Chrome but is not standard. Firing up Brave to open the odd page once in a blue moon is not too extreme to ask. Specially since it’s the result of Google’s influence on the W3C standards and forcing their way upon others.
Brave iscool and all. But everytime I open it I fear it’s going to backdoor a cryptominer into my machine. It just gives that vibe.
But everytime I open it I fear it’s going to backdoor a cryptominer into my machine. It just gives that vibe.
I know right?? I know my data’s going to get stolen one way or another, but Brave made me feel like I could potentially lose more than that.
Been trying out Edge and I got to say I’m pretty spoiled by having Bing chat on the sidebar as my coding assistance, except it’s becoming more temperamental lately, refusing to answer simple questions and flipping me off by saying things like “I don’t want to talk about this anymore” before terminating the chat.
Yes. Brave is based on Chromium, which has some limitations on things which can be filtered. If you truly care about your privacy, use Firefox, or a further-privacy focused Firefox variant such as LibreWolf. The so called performance issues of Firefox are greatly exaggerated, realistically you won’t be able to notice any difference.
Thanks for letting me know, I’ll check it out. Though, I do get kinda skeptical when companies announce that their privacy focused, there’s usually some sort of ulterior motive at work.
Brave constantly shoves crypto crap in your face and tries to monetize your web browsing experience. It’s awful.
Other than Firefox, you have Vivaldi and also other Chrome alternatives like Chromium too. Firefox preforms plenty fast so don’t let rumor or hearsay stop you from trying it either.
Vivaldi is nice. They’re a little aggressive in pushing their new features, but their hearts seem to be in the right place. It’s run by ex-Opera people, and has a similar kind of feel to how Opera used to be when it was the #3 browser. It does still use the Chromium engine though.
I’ve been using Firefox for years now and the only issue I’ve had is that at work I can’t download particularly large files from John Deere operations centre so I use another browser just for that. Everything else, which is literally everything as far as I’m concerned, has been a better experience for me than Chrome ever was. Also Brave uses chromium which is cringe.
I’d say it’s worth the switch as if you care about privacy, Firefox just has more tools available to this end
The problem is that you are using chrome to begin with
I use Chrome because it integrates with the other Google services and hardware I use and because I just like it better. I fully understand the data collection thing and I’m ok with it to some extent. I like that Google shows me things that I might be interested in based on searches or sites I visit, but I TOTALLY understand why others might not be ok with it. I am more concerned with the government having access to my information than Google but not to the point of paranoia.
I stopped being a fan of any recommendations once it became abundantly clear that I’m not actually shown things I’m interested in, but rather the same ads that everyone else gets. Not to mention the Google experience has greatly degraded lately. Tried their search recently? So many ads and SEO spam.
I was actually just talking about this on another post. Google Search has serious problems that need addressing. That’s why so many people appended search terms with reddit. Because without that, the organic results are nearly worthless. I’m fine with the first 3 or 4 sponsored results, but the organic search needs to be fixed for sure.
Slowing down their ability to profit off of you, that is.
What a cunning plan!
