• aceshigh@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    Can someone explain why so many countries support what’s happening in Palestine? Whats going on behind the scenes here?

  • Zephorah@discuss.online
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    6 hours ago

    At risk of sounding like that dipshit Vance, you guys don’t have free speech, not really. The uk seems to exist in a “yes, but no” realm. The press can’t report on trials such that it might influence outcome. 1988 law iirc. That’s smart, but it’s still a guardrail on speech. Some of the arrests and even sentences over there, for speech and sometimes even ideology related infractions, are a bit wild. I remember reading something about a woman being fined for calling her ex a leprechaun on social media.

    That said, I feel a need to reiterate how crazy this defense of war and slaughter is. I’ve been a casual observer at best but I do not understand why either government cares if a people across an ocean (who are not and never will be boots on the ground for either side of this war) say they don’t like a war. So what? The war will rage on regardless of wether or not college students in Michigan walk around outside on a nice day holding signs. Or if some guy in London posts an objection on social media. That’s not even a speed bump to this war or either government if either government even sees or hears any of it. So why does either government even care? Why even spend energy on that? For them, it’s like a volume setting that maybe can’t be turned to zero, but in the end it’s just a bit of noise to them. So why bother? The war will continue. As such, their reaction makes no sense whatsoever.

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    9 hours ago

    Luckily I’m not from Terf island (although things aren’t looking so good around here either), but I support Palestine action

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    13 hours ago

    Every British politician belongs in a mass grave. Just a total stain on humanity

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    14 hours ago

    There are few things I like about being an American, but one of them is the first amendment. It doesn’t always work, and Trump is sure to try some shit like this soon, but at least I know for now I won’t go to prison for saying that I do indeed support Palestine Action

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      7 hours ago

      As long they can send people to torture prisons without due process or evidence, we do NOT have a First Amendment.

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      13 hours ago

      You could absolutely go to prison for it. A group of people in an unmarked van can grab you, send you to a prison in your country or even somewhere else, where you will be tortured possibly to death, and even if there will be an international fuss about it, nobody will ever do anything about it.
      There is no more laws in your country, none.

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    16 hours ago

    I’m more shocked it hasn’t already happened to Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil.

    But I guess blockading motorways and rocking up to art museums dressed like extras from a Wham music video and defacing paintings makes you less of a threat than wanting Netanyahu to stop his genocide of the Palestinian people.

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      7 hours ago

      They get too much money from it. The things you listed are visible and awful, But, money…

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      16 hours ago

      Still, calling blocking motorways and defacing painting terrorism is a stretch.

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          7 hours ago

          And that’s pretty much what Palestine Action did

          Not quite.

          three protestors from the group “stormed, scaled and occupied” an APPH drone factory in Runcorn.[33] Activists daubed red paint on the exterior, dismantled drone and aircraft machinery and destroyed windows

          (…)

          In January 2024, Palestine Action vandalised an office of the logistics company Kuehne + Nagel in Milton Keynes by smashing windows and spraying the building with paint

          (…)

          In May 2024, Edinburgh Palestine Action activists targeted a Leonardo factory in Crewe Toll (…) a spokesperson for the group saying, "In the early hours of Tuesday 28th May [2024], a group opened the box of cables, cut the internet wires, sprayed expanding foam inside the box

          (…)

          October 2024, Palestine Action targeted a factory in Bromborough, Wirral Peninsula, a producer of F-35 fighter plane (…) The action consisted of breaking through the roof and spraying red paint into cleanrooms, with a manager for Teledyne allegedly claiming "damage to the clean rooms could halt production for up to 12 months

          They did proper sabotage as well.

          In June 2025, members of Palestine Action gained access to RAF Brize Norton on electric scooters and used “repurposed fire extinguishers” to spray red paint into the engines of two Royal Air Force Airbus A330 MRTT refuelling planes

          I think it’s also worth noting that this is the stupidest possible way of protesting against Israel and pro-Palestine. There are SO MANY weapons suppliers all over the place… But more importantly, Israel can do fine with domestic production when fighting Hamas/Hezbollah. They need external supplies for fighting Iran, sure, but this was all before that happened.

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    10 hours ago

    Not only is the ruling wrong - it is the very thing it claims to be opposing. It is itself an act of terrorism, carried out with the intention of inspiring fear in the British public to further a political agenda.

    In every way, the British government is replicating the actions it accuses PA of - except that the scale of harm to British society and the terror inspired is magnitudes greater, and performed in service of the opposite political goal.

    This is a terror attack by the government against the British people.

    The British people’s opinion and will are the thing from which the goverment gains it’s only source of legitimacy - and they do not line up with the government on this issue.

    But evidently the government believes in a different model of legitimacy: they believe that legitimacy is derived from the mere fact that they hold power. In the mind of the government and it’s supporters, the difference between a terrorist organisation and a legitimate government is just power and only power. To them, right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with it. They think that they are winning, and that they are going to get away with it. Nothing else matters.

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      14 hours ago

      But evidently the government believes in a different model of legitimacy: they believe that legitimacy is derived from the mere fact that they hold power.

      *Macht macht Recht"

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    18 hours ago

    That’s good reason to remind people, that law is written by particular people, mostly to protect those people interests.

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    18 hours ago

    Feeding, housing and guarding someone for 14 years has got to be ridiculously expensive. All for uttering a few words.

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        14 hours ago

        Technically its not slave labor.

        They just out you in solitary confinement with really bad food, zero things to do to pass the time. Psychologically torture you until you agreed to do unpaid/below-minimum-wage work.

        “They are voluntarily working!” -the warden said to the judge, while concealing a police baton behind him.