What we really need is the gangs to step in and protect thier territory from ICE. They have networks of people who can hide them if they get identified. And good luck to the agents who come and try to arrest them. The cycle will just build and build.
If America goes to war with Mexico, I think may very well have Cartel forces stalking Republicans in Texas. We live in a world of possibilities, ones that shouldn’t have been plausible even a year ago.
In my limited experience of just living in bad neighborhoods, most gangs I’ve encountered are just small groups of kids that sell drugs, rob, burglarize, fight, and occasionally kill kids in other small groups. From talking to older people that were in gangs (well, they still consider themselves to be in a gang, but the gang doesn’t functionally exist or do anything), things were much different in the 80s and 90s. Guessing it differs depending on the city though (there aren’t really “territories” in my city; drugs are sold through apps/text).
What happens when you starting dropping ICE agents?
Genuinely curious, as an outsider it seems your right to bare arms to protect again the government is ridiculous. Your government has warships, fighter jets, and drones.
Seems at best you could maybe do some insurgent warfare, but I don’t think you’ll be overthrowing the government with guns.
EU won’t risk such a thing if the US is unlikely to collapse.
The only and I do mean only scenario I see an armed resistance succeeding in toppling ghe government is if a decent chunk of the military sides with it and partakes in the insurrection
The US, or any country in fact, is unlikely to give up a chunk of its land because some civilians have machine guns.
I think they’d rather flatten it before considering doing so.
Lets say California through Texas want to have a rebellion. How long do you think it’s going to last after the army blockades all the freeways and imposes a curfew.
Believe me I’d sleep a lot easier believing that if the government goes too far we can topple it. But when was the last time you saw something like that happen without the support of the military or the vast vast majority of the population in support.
And the American people will not rally together due to their strong allegiance to their respective political party
You’re question shows exactly why the west (especially the US) has such an issue doing anything in the modern day. Everyone asks “what can I do” not “what can we do.”
What happens the first time? You’re probably killed, and if not you’re caught and sentenced as if it’s illegal (even though it probably isn’t in most states if they don’t identify and don’t present a warrant). Maybe you can kill them and ghost if you’re incredibly lucky, and disappear somewhere.
What happens the hundredth time people do this? They start getting scared of acting and more people are encouraged to take action. Maybe they start coming down even harder, but that will just drive people to even more action. If that happens then they eventually lose. They have to maintain authority. Authority is not the default state. If they lose it then they’re done.
Asymmetric warfare never intends to aim for a conventional peer to peer engagement with a far superior force. We’re not talking about pitched open battles here. We’re not talking about occupying territory or capturing objectives.
“What happens” is probably a lot of propaganda from the fascist media outlets. They’ll view it as a justification for increased political violence on their part. Probably as a pretext for martial law and the suspension or posse comitatus. Full blown military occupation.
If that happens, we’ll effectively be in a state of open civil war anyway. So it won’t really matter.
Pulling a gun in this situation will absolutely, without a doubt, get you killed. If that’s the way you want to go, that’s your decision, but it’s not going to do anything to protect you.
Lol, just caught seven day hammer on the “fuck spez” site for saying exactly this. When the choice is torture or a quick out, the answer is very simple. Marx said it best, all attempts must be frustrated.
Well if they get rid of habeas corpus then you may as well consider yourself dead the moment they try to “arrest you”. Never go to a second location if you want to remain whole.
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What we really need is the gangs to step in and protect thier territory from ICE. They have networks of people who can hide them if they get identified. And good luck to the agents who come and try to arrest them. The cycle will just build and build.
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If America goes to war with Mexico, I think may very well have Cartel forces stalking Republicans in Texas. We live in a world of possibilities, ones that shouldn’t have been plausible even a year ago.
Apparently the cripts have gotten more diverse. Probably because that generational wealth gap has started to fade away.
In my limited experience of just living in bad neighborhoods, most gangs I’ve encountered are just small groups of kids that sell drugs, rob, burglarize, fight, and occasionally kill kids in other small groups. From talking to older people that were in gangs (well, they still consider themselves to be in a gang, but the gang doesn’t functionally exist or do anything), things were much different in the 80s and 90s. Guessing it differs depending on the city though (there aren’t really “territories” in my city; drugs are sold through apps/text).
What happens when you starting dropping ICE agents?
Genuinely curious, as an outsider it seems your right to bare arms to protect again the government is ridiculous. Your government has warships, fighter jets, and drones.
Seems at best you could maybe do some insurgent warfare, but I don’t think you’ll be overthrowing the government with guns.
Taliban, Vietcong have both beaten the US goverment in the past and recently. Despite not having access to the same level of weapons and other tech.
They also had homefield advantage which an American rebel group will not have.
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Your house in the suburbs is an easy target and one in the boonies is an easier one.
Hard to organize an armed resistance when you’re so spread out and your best cover is made of drywall.
Though I do love your username
Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Guerrilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd2_Ypb7Ddg
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EU won’t risk such a thing if the US is unlikely to collapse.
The only and I do mean only scenario I see an armed resistance succeeding in toppling ghe government is if a decent chunk of the military sides with it and partakes in the insurrection
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The US, or any country in fact, is unlikely to give up a chunk of its land because some civilians have machine guns.
I think they’d rather flatten it before considering doing so.
Lets say California through Texas want to have a rebellion. How long do you think it’s going to last after the army blockades all the freeways and imposes a curfew.
Believe me I’d sleep a lot easier believing that if the government goes too far we can topple it. But when was the last time you saw something like that happen without the support of the military or the vast vast majority of the population in support.
And the American people will not rally together due to their strong allegiance to their respective political party
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You’re question shows exactly why the west (especially the US) has such an issue doing anything in the modern day. Everyone asks “what can I do” not “what can we do.”
What happens the first time? You’re probably killed, and if not you’re caught and sentenced as if it’s illegal (even though it probably isn’t in most states if they don’t identify and don’t present a warrant). Maybe you can kill them and ghost if you’re incredibly lucky, and disappear somewhere.
What happens the hundredth time people do this? They start getting scared of acting and more people are encouraged to take action. Maybe they start coming down even harder, but that will just drive people to even more action. If that happens then they eventually lose. They have to maintain authority. Authority is not the default state. If they lose it then they’re done.
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It may not be as much as we like or hope for, but 100% of the military is not going to comply if things come to that.
Asymmetric warfare never intends to aim for a conventional peer to peer engagement with a far superior force. We’re not talking about pitched open battles here. We’re not talking about occupying territory or capturing objectives.
“What happens” is probably a lot of propaganda from the fascist media outlets. They’ll view it as a justification for increased political violence on their part. Probably as a pretext for martial law and the suspension or posse comitatus. Full blown military occupation.
If that happens, we’ll effectively be in a state of open civil war anyway. So it won’t really matter.
Pulling a gun in this situation will absolutely, without a doubt, get you killed. If that’s the way you want to go, that’s your decision, but it’s not going to do anything to protect you.
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Lol, just caught seven day hammer on the “fuck spez” site for saying exactly this. When the choice is torture or a quick out, the answer is very simple. Marx said it best, all attempts must be frustrated.
Well if they get rid of habeas corpus then you may as well consider yourself dead the moment they try to “arrest you”. Never go to a second location if you want to remain whole.