Instead of burning the cars without the owners’ permission, take them and sell them.
Use the money to help those in need.
Too many “smart people” in this comment chain assume that I mean asking the owners nicely to sell them. Did we ask the owners nicely to set the cars on fire?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
What’s your alternative? It has to be something that actually works
Instead of burning the cars without the owners’ permission, take them and sell them.
Use the money to help those in need.
Too many “smart people” in this comment chain assume that I mean asking the owners nicely to sell them. Did we ask the owners nicely to set the cars on fire?
Really puts into perspective how smart ya’ll are.
WHO IS GOING TO SELL THEM THEN?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
Oh, agreed - I was just trying to engage with the hypothetical that “cool” was plastering all over this thread.
I do not condone violence but if you must act violently, at least target the dealership, not random people’s private property.