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    Or maybe when voting makes it impossible to achieve justice you should move towards other forms of resistance, like my original point was. Part of that resistance is nonparticipation. It’s an expected outcome. I voted for Harris but you don’t see me clutching my pearls over the idea that maybe this system just needs to go.

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      Or maybe when voting makes it impossible to achieve justice

      Oh, of course, when you can’t achieve justice by voting, the correct decision is to ensure that voting results in the worst possible resolution. If you can’t have justice, you must have as much injustice as possible. The only moral choice, of course. Basic accelerationism. Every good revolutionary knows this.

      you should move towards other forms of resistance, like my original point was.

      Like fucking what? The easy answer of “We’re going to rise up and firebomb the rich any day now :‘’')” has been parroted by leftist wannabe suburban kids since the 70s; fuck’s sake, I’ve heard the line myself for the past 20 fucking years. And what has happened? Where are these masses ready to rise up, since they find voting no longer radical enough for their tastes?

      They aren’t exchanging voting for more effective forms of change. They’re just abandoning voting, and replacing it with jack fucking shit. They continue to sit on their fucking asses, like always. They don’t organize en masse, they don’t take up lone wolf violence. They do nothing, except play at purity games to jerk themselves off over how pure they are for abandoning as many minorities and oppressed groups as they can to literal fucking fascists. And you know who suffers for it?

      All of us.

      Fuck’s sake.

      Part of that resistance is nonparticipation. It’s an expected outcome.

      Are you fucking kidding me? “Resistance is nonparticipation”?

      What a fucking joke. Am I suppose to thank these twats for nonparticipating us into camps? Should I thank them for nonparticipating Ukraine into a potential genocide? What did nonparticipation gain us ‘revolutionary’ elements? Are we better poised to strike against the system now? No? We’re actually worse off? Fucking fantastic.

      I voted for Harris but you don’t see me clutching my pearls over the idea that maybe this system just needs to go.

      “This system needs to go” does not need the addendum “Therefore, I’m going to make the system as terrible as possible”.

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        You think I’m naive for telling you how things work? Believing that someone is going to remain participatory with a government that’s genuinely greenlighting genocide like the Dems were because the opposition will… greenlight genocide… is delusional. If that’s their primary moral issue, they are expected to not participate.

        What’s naive is going through this shit since the 80s and actually expecting electoralisim alone to change things. Newsflash, it hasn’t. The problems are more fundamental. Whining about someone else not putting work in is similarly unconvincing.

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          You think I’m naive for telling you how things work?

          No, I think you’re an apologist for literal fascist enablers. That’s different than naive.

          But hey, who needs to address any of the points raised? Certainly not you, it would seem.

          What’s naive is going through this shit since the 80s and actually expecting electoralisim alone to change things. Newsflash, it hasn’t. The problems are more fundamental. Whining about someone else not putting work in is similarly unconvincing.

          Again - what alternative to electoralism is being proposed, here? There’s fucking nothing, and no amount of suburban kids LARPing and high-fiving over how pure they are to their online buddies changes that. Sitting here and saying “Disinfecting the wound isn’t enough, it needs to be sutured”, and then proceeding to prevent anyone from disinfecting the wound and refusing to suture it (and, in this case, 2024, then proceeding to engage in ‘nonparticipation’, restraining the half-assed disinfectors from preventing a charlatan from rubbing his feces into the wound and proclaiming it healed) isn’t some noble fucking stand. It’s privileged shite from people who don’t seriously think they’ll be seeing any of the consequences of their actions.

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            Yeah, I could call you an apologist for genocide enablers if I wanted to spout inflammatory nonsense, but that was directly my point. Your entire argument about a lost election where you refuse to even consider that there are paths to resistance just because I haven’t named things like disruptive protests, boycotts, and general organization is counterproductive. This entire screed is counterproductive. Calling me a fascist enabler apologist when I’m obviously a leftist is the exact stupid games I was referring to in the first place. This is the stupidity.

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              Your entire argument about a lost election where you refuse to even consider that there are paths to resistance just because I haven’t named things like disruptive protests, boycotts, and general organization is counterproductive.

              In what way are these alternatives to electoralism that have been strengthened by the victory of a literal fascist?

              As I pointed out, we have been placed in a worse position for all forms of resistance by this loss - but you keep pretending that this is all part of some shift in resistance. It’s fucking not. But hey, who cares? You aren’t going to suffer, it’s just disadvantaged folk like me. Millions of us will suffer, and many of us will die, but that’s a sacrifice you’re willing to justify for the high, high reward of (checks notes) giving asspats to each other online. Fucking great. Love that this is what my death is going to enable. Thanks, o noble ‘leftists’.

              Calling me a fascist enabler apologist when I’m obviously a leftist is the exact stupid games I was referring to in the first place.

              This is very simple.

              You are playing apologist for a group of people.

              This group of people? Fascist enablers.

              Thus, you are an apologist for fascist enablers.

              Calling yourself a leftist is not some vaccine against that. Being a leftist is not some vaccine against that. A coat of red paint doesn’t change your behavior.

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                You can be willfully ignorant of my point as much as it makes you feel self righteous, but don’t for a second believe that this whining is accomplishing anything but ensuring that resistance remains divided and solidarity is impossible to achieve.

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                  but don’t for a second believe that this whining is accomplishing anything but ensuring that resistance remains divided and solidarity is impossible to achieve.

                  Oh, you mean like how we remained divided in the election and now I have a good chance over the next four years of dying due to a fascist government coming into power? Wow, it’s cute how it’s super important to maintain solidarity through disagreements and even the condemnation of millions of people to death and oppression, until, you know, one of us damn dirty impure folk is asking for it from the purity brigade. Fascism in America is an acceptable compromise for personal purity, but everyone else should put aside all their little quibbles to join hands with fascist enablers! 😊

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                    You really do feel entitled to the support of those thrown under the bus after offering none to them. It’s mind boggling.