• positiveWHAT@lemmy.world
      901·
      2 months ago

      Nothing says liberty like the Republican party, where you can’t be yourself, love who you love or have control over your own body.

        • daddy32@lemmy.world
          91·
          1 month ago

          I believe that’s a so called neo-liberalism, mostly synonymous with “laissez-fare” approaching to economy. While classical liberalism seeks for personal freedoms, neo-liberalism seeks for freedoms of fake, legal persons.

          • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
            4·
            1 month ago

            The book I linked is an academic work that details how the major liberal philosophers dealt with the contradiction between freedom of the bourgeoisie and freedom of the exploited classes. It’s not a long read, and does the important work of contextualizing their philosophies.

            Liberal education has a tendency to present liberalism as if someone just got the idea for everyone to be equal and free, and then the people democratically embraced capitalism because that’s the most freedom and equal system, and history ended.

            • daddy32@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 month ago

              Guess what I was trying to say is that that changes over time - and not in a good way. But maybe if you read the book, you can tell us more :)

              Edit: looks like the author posits it has “always” been shit in mostly “liberties for me but bot thee” ways.

              • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                22·
                1 month ago

                I understood what you’re saying, and I’m telling you it’s historically inaccurate, I just gave you a book explaining how your classical liberals practiced and argued about slavery and other “freedoms” of the bourgeoisie.

      • Cadeillac@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 month ago

        I had the same reaction. Dude looks terrible. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person

  • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
    971·
    2 months ago

    Even better was the r/photoshopbattles version of them dancing:

  • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    901·
    2 months ago

    Elon: “I have a dad now!”

    Trump: “Somebody call security on this freak!”

    Edit: Maybe Trump is downplaying his weirdness by using Elon as a sideshow freak.

  • Anderenortsfalsch@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    72·
    2 months ago

    Trump: “Jump!”
    Musk: “How high?”
    Trump: “Get as high as you can!”
    Musk: “I am already as high as I can, I wanted to know how high I should jump!”

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      241·
      2 months ago

      Sadly, I think it’s Musk doing the commanding. Knowing as much as I do about Musk’s philosophy, that’s not a good thing. If Trump wasn’t fascist enough, Musk certainly isn’t going to help.

      • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        2 months ago

        I have no doubt they are empowering each other in a sick feedback loop.

        I had a friend that was always into guns but was normal about it. Then he started hanging out with this other gun guy. Within a couple years they were both psycho gun nuts. He started sleeping with a loaded the gun under his pillow. Even though he had a five year old son. To quote “He isn’t strong enough to cycle the slide so it’s ok …”

        I noped out of the friendship after that.

          • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
            10·
            1 month ago

            Did he forget that kids will go out of their way to touch it. I remember when I was a little shit, I did a lot of things I wasnt supposed to do. I only got caught for the worst ones.

            • P00ptart@lemmy.world
              4·
              1 month ago

              Shit, I only got caught on the lamest shit I did lol. If my parents knew 20% of the shit I did…

                • P00ptart@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  1 month ago

                  I’ve cause numerous fires. Never a dumpster though. Back in the day, when my uncle was in HS he accidentally caught his hs library on fire after breaking in to smoke pot and return a book. So he’s got me beat by quite a lot. But my mother was a neglectful narcissist, so I became a master of illusion.

                  Edit: honestly, most of the times I fucked up was when I was trying to be helpful. Parents had a wall they started to paint and let go for 2 weeks, they went out one night when I was like 13. So I finished it as a surprise while they were out. Got paint all over the carpet. Bonehead shit but otherwise innocent. Other than the porn, that’s all I was ever caught with. I’ve ran from the cops too many times to count from ~14-24. Never anything real bad that harmed anyone, just general mischief.

        • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works
          8·
          1 month ago

          Sleeping with a loaded gun under the pillow. If somebody wants to kill you, and is in your bedroom while you’re sleeping, then you’re going to wake up to a bullet going through your brain, before you go back to sleep permanently. A gun under the pillow doesn’t even make sense in the gun nuts paranoid delusions.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
    511·
    2 months ago

    Elon Musk is what happens when that middle school kid that says shit like “How fortuitous” gets money.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
    412·
    1 month ago

    is that old lesbian growing a beard?

    who the fuck is that?

    edit: just saw where I am. Jesus, he’s really let himself go…

    • DancingBear@midwest.social
      61·
      2 months ago

      When I first saw the photo that’s exactly what I thought, I was looking on the edges of the photo for secret service agents running to tackle him

    • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦@ttrpg.network
      338·
      2 months ago

      They seem to honestly believe that Musk will get human beings to Mars before the end of Trump’s next term (under the assumption he has one).

      I’m sorry. This won’t happen in Trump’s next term (assuming he has one). This won’t happen in my lifetime. This won’t happen in the lifetime of anybody currently over the age of 20.

      MAYBE someone who was born today will see human beings land on Mars.

      MAYBE the grandchildren of someone born today will see human beings build something semi-permanent on Mars.

      • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        2 months ago

        I mean the technical hurdles aren’t insurmountable. But we lack the political will power to put resources needed into it.

        It would take 60s moon landing level of commitment for 10-15 years to do any sooner.

          • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            1 month ago

            I wasn’t commenting on whether we “should” go, only that I felt we had the resources/ability to go…

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          It’s technically feasible in the bare minimum “Got there” sense. Bringing someone and getting them back. But we learned a lot by the moon exploration, and that is that we aren’t ready for colonization. Living there, for a long time, let alone indefinitely, that is where the million details are still unresolved. I think that’s the problem that is worth tackling. We already know we can live in space for a long time as long as there are continuous shipments of resources from Earth. We could just flood the logistics problem with money and get to mars next year if we wanted to. Other than the psychologically horrifyingly long distances involved, of course.

          • chaogomu@lemmy.world
            4·
            1 month ago

            I’ll say that Andy Weir got most of it right on how to do manned missions to Mars.

            You build a huge space station, and then use that as the ship that goes to and from Mars.

            Then the actual mission on the surface lasting a month or three before the astronauts pack up and head home.

        • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦@ttrpg.network
          56·
          2 months ago

          The technical hurdles are insurmountable with any technology we have today. It is impossible, period, for humans to be landed on Mars in four years. It is impossible, period, for humans to have a semi-permanent settlement on Mars in the lifetime of anybody alive.

          Going to the Moon, our closest neighbour, is child’s play in comparison to going to Mars. And look how well getting humans back to the moon is going…

            • 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦@ttrpg.network
              5·
              1 month ago

              Well I pointed to one already: the numbskulls in charge of space programs can’t even return us to our closest neighbour (about 400,000km) so thinking they can get us to Mars in the foreseeable future (an average of 225,000,000km, so about 550× the distance) is ludicrous.

              At the rate things are going we won’t be standing on the Moon again by the end of a purported Trump term, not to mention Mars, just based on distance alone.

              But this isn’t even what I’m actually talking about. I’m talking about how badly people underestimate the difficulties of a trip to Mars. Here are some (and only some!) of the issues:

              1. We have never sustained human beings in a closed environment for the length of time a trip to Mars would take (nine months or so). This is the absolute basic first step. To send people to Mars they have to reach Mars alive, and … despite many experiments and tests we don’t know how to do this. We’re trying to climb K2 and we haven’t even taken the first step out of our beds yet. This isn’t something we’re going to suddenly solve. Can we solve it? Sure. Almost certainly. But not in four years. Probably not in forty years.
              2. Mars is the “Killer Planet” when it comes to our technology. More probes have been lost to Mars than to any other planet by number, and only Venus beats it for proportion. (I’m now laughing as I picture people downvoting me because I’m suggesting that colonizing Venus is even dumber than colonizing Mars!) The problem of landing on Mars is hard for machinery that’s a whole lot tougher than a human body is. It will take way more than four years (and likely forty) to figure out how to safely get people down to the planet once their space coffins arrive.
              3. Why space coffins? Radiation is a killer! The Apollo astronauts received about the equivalent of two head CT scans of radiation in their ~6-day round trip. Extrapolating that to a 540-day round trip and you’ve got the equivalent of about 180 head CT scans. This is bad with a capital B. (Don’t believe me? Go to your local hospital and stick your head in the CT machine and trigger it 180 times. Come back and report on the results.) “But,” I can hear you say, “most of the radiation the Apollo astronauts received came from the Van Allen belts.” This is true. And that’s because the Apollo missions were sent out in periods of solar activity minima. (And even with that planning they had a scare in one of the missions!) There are no 18-month periods of solar minima. For 540 days our astronauts will be bathing in solar wind, flares, CMEs, cosmic rays, and a whole lot more sources of ionizing radiation. But hey, at least we might get someone cool like Reed Richards or Susan Storm out the other end, right?
              4. OK, so we’ve solved keeping people in a closed habitat, we’ve solved the landing thing within sane risk levels, and we have invented magic anti-radiation technology. Have we invented a substitute for food? No? Well then, provisioning is going to be a huge problem. Here on Earth we eat 1.5-2kg of food per day. So let’s assume that for this trip we’ve turned that food into the densest (and most monotonous) form possible and make it 0.5kg instead. That’s 270kg of food per person at an absolute minimum with no margin for accident or error. Realistically that’s closer to a ton per person if we don’t want a single accident to turn our spaceship into a fancy space coffin. Now add water to that. That’s 3l per day, or another 1.5 tons per person for the trip as a razor’s edge minimum. OK, I’ll be nice and pretend we invent some fancy waste reclamation system that’s 90% efficient, and I’ll ignore that we get a lot of our water from our food and we really need to account for the bone-dry rations here. That’s still 150kg per person without a safety margin and more likely about half a ton per person. Add oxygen to that (and again I’ll stick to a fiction that says we can realistically use a pure-oxygen environment) and that’s about a kilogram per day, so half a ton per person, or, with safety margins about 1.5 tons. And so on and so on and so on. We lack the ability to launch that much into orbit, complete with the spacecraft systems around it, plus the squishy fleshy things that need it, in four years. We just don’t have enough rockets. And this is for the simplest mission profile.
              5. And as for colonizing it once we overcome those difficulties (not likely within your lifetime, remember!): https://defector.com/neither-elon-musk-nor-anybody-else-will-ever-colonize-mars Living on Mars is just a non-starter from the get-go. It’s far harsher than the harshest environment we have ready access to here on Earth (Antarctica) and we barely even have a foothold on Antarctica which is literally a million times easier to get to and provision.

              There’s also one more reason to be certain that getting to Mars is not going to happen anytime soon and that colonizing Mars is a pipe dream that will literally never happen: going back to the topic of this board, the Apartheid Manchild is soundly convinced it’s just around the corner. Like his Hyperloop. And his full self-driving. And his solar panel factories. And his … you get the picture. The fact that this twat, of all people, is the biggest cheerleader of visiting and colonizing Mars should tell you just how implausible the idea really is.

              P.S. Keep downvoting the truth away, children. It won’t change the fact that if you’re alive now you will almost definitely not see any kind of semi-permanent human presence on Mars and you likely won’t even see a human landing on Mars. “Click-click-clickety-click” doesn’t change harsh reality. You can’t vote reality away!)

      • _stranger_@lemmy.world
        7·
        1 month ago

        Hear me out: They’re planning to lose.

        Promise ridiculous prosperity will happen when they win.

        Lose.

        No matter how successful the winner might eventually be, they can always point to the ridiculous prosperity that never happened, letting them rob their base of even enjoying the basic joy of any progress, keeping them mad, hateful, and controlled.

        • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 month ago

          That actually happened in Hungary with Fidesz, in 2006. They even organized the riots that happened in the autumn.

          Of course the MSZP-SZDSZ government had a lot of issues, like planning to privatize the health care, but was sabotaged by Fidesz, a lot. Fidesz even helped the far-right as long as they didn’t deny the Holocaust too much (which is still technically a felony in Hungary, except no longer prosecuted to my knowledge), and pushed the “free speech for all, except for those damn gays and Romani” alignment, while also helping to suppress any news about the anti-communism paranoia of SZDSZ. There was a now infamous political ad of theirs that was pushed during the call for the health-care privatization debates which framed state-owned health care as the last remaining element of communism, except almost no one saw them as most outlets tried to frame the moderate-libertarian party as “communist”, especially the then up and coming kuruc info, a far-right “news” website known for doxxing and holocaust denial. Funnily enough, Fidesz is quietly supporting health-care privatization.