Screenshotting a post from another fediverse app seems a bit crazy. As an alternative, this post is available natively in lemmy, as text and from the original author (so you can reply to him if you’d like).
I can’t give a universal link to a post obviously …
Tee-hee :) Point taken though!
No way to cross post is there?
Also would be neat to have a blended account feature - infosec.exchange is defederated from sh.itjust.works even though we’re OK I swear. Might be time to raise that discussion again.
Anyway only seeing this because of the repost. And for the visually paired (easy of seeing?) (not blind?), screenshots of text can sometimes have a je ne sais quoi. A bit of text fitting just so in the right font, maybe a light background breaking the monotony of one’s dark mode…
Screenshots, surprisingly resilient in $current_year. One day Lemmy could autotranscribe screenshots and include original post date, platform, author… maybe how deep fried it was too.
Yeah, cross-posts would be a new post from me, rather than the original from e.g. George Takei, which isn’t ideal.
I hadn’t really thought about defederation between servers running both Mastodon and Lemmy. I guess that post wouldn’t show up on sh.itjust.works (I’ll have a look if anyone subscribes from there)
Hmmm, that’s not defederation though. The community’s outbox has the 20 most recent posts in, and that cat gif is currently at number 20. The only way those earlier posts can be there are if someone brought though the community a day or so ago and then didn’t subscribe. If anyone ever does subscribe, I can manually send the rest (and can see if the infosec one fails)
Lemmy World & Midwest Social show the community and the latest post. JustWorks doesn’t show the latest post. Infosec doesn’t show the community. Lemmon doesn’t seem to have an actual homepage, but looks a bit like an RSS feed; the Tails community there 403s.
Defed Investigator can’t find Lemmon but reports on some communities which are federated with it. Infosec is reportedly federated but doesn’t show the community.
1.) what’s an outbox (on Lemmy)?
2.) “if someone brought though the community a day or so ago and then didn’t subscribe.”?
3.) “manually send the rest”? Also you’re the Lemmon admin?
lemmy.world has the community, and is keeping up to date with it, because someone (me, actually) brought it through and subscribed.
midwest.social has the community, but won’t get further updates because no-one subscribed (so technically I don’t have the inbox address for it - it’ll be the same format as everyone else of course, but it would reject updates with the ‘community has no subscribers’ error if I sent stuff to it anyway).
justworks was in the same situation as midwest.social, but it has a subscriber now, so now it has everything and will keep up to date. I didn’t have to do anything - the new subscriber’s action re-fetched the outbox (discussed below) and luckily that contained everything that was missing. The post from infosec.exchange is there too, so that wasn’t affected by federation blocks.
lemmon.website isn’t running lemmy - the tails community is ‘virtual’ in that it’s just a bunch of static files pretending to be a real community. The main address 403s 'cos thats just a folder.
infosec.pub doesn’t have the community most likely because no-one who is logged in there has searched for it (instances won’t search outside their own database if the query isn’t from a logged-in user). lemmon.website is in their /instances list though, so there’s no blocking.
An outbox on lemmy contains the last 20 or so original Announces that the main community uses to tell the communities on other instances about a new post. To illustrate: curl --header 'accept: application/json'https://lemmy.world/c/microblogmemes/outbox | jq .orderedItems[0] would be for the most recent post on microblogmemes. (Op’s post is at orderedItems[6]).
Fetching this allows a new instance to re-create recent posts, as if it had received them at the time.
Someone clicked !tails@lemmon.website, but didn’t go further (they probably got lemmy’s misleading error screen and gave up). As with midwest.social - no subscribers = no more updates.
Yeah, lemmon.website is mine. Not running lemmy means I fudge things a bit (including having posts from Mastodon users, of course)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !microblogmemes@lemmy.world
Honestly I feel like a screenshot of a toot is better than just seeing a Lemmy-formated toot.
Maybe a cross-post feature which generates what the screenshot effectively shows but formatted in html to match mastodon formatting with functioning links that’s hosted on the instance the Lemmy community is in to avoid federation issues?
Edit to add: on the other hand I regularly forward the screenshots to friends on other platforms, so I’d either screenshot the thing created to stop screenshots or need a share/download button to create a image because I know my friends ain’t interested in clicking a wierd fediverse link to view a 2 sentence joke they may or may not find funny
We’re stuck with the HTML formatting that lemmy provides us, unfortunately. It’s not just about an image vs. text though - it’s also about being from the original author. OP for this post is getting plenty of replies, but I’ve no idea if it’s an issue they care about, or just something they saw and found passingly amusing.
As for sending on, a screenshot to friends on non-ActivityPub platforms is more reasonable (although being text means you could just copy/paste it, and then include any friends with vision impairments too).
But yeah, there’s lots of pro’s to a screenshot that I don’t have an argument against (I posted in this thread, but it’s not like I’m going to show up everytime someone yoinks something from Mastodon)
What’s happened for you there isn’t a problem for screenshots to really fix - it’s whatever frontend you’re using not giving lemmy’s backend enough time to fetch a remote community. This happens loads - I even made a little video about it the other day: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/13703060
When you clicked on !tails@lemmon.website, it did actually go through to dbzer0, and Voyager has no trouble with the community once it’s though. A little ironically perhaps, but here’s a hastily combined screenshot showing it at dbzer0 and on Voyager:
Screenshotting a post from another fediverse app seems a bit crazy. As an alternative, this post is available natively in lemmy, as text and from the original author (so you can reply to him if you’d like).
I can’t give a universal link to a post obviously, but if you’re on lemmy.world, it’s here: https://lemmy.world/post/11631169, and if you’re not, it’s available on the !tails@lemmon.website community.
even on the federated web, you can’t escape the screenshots
Let’s just be thankful they actually took a screenshot and didn’t take a picture of the screen with their phone.
It’s a step up as long as it stays that way and reposters know they can save the screenshot instead of screenshotting the screenshot.
The referent of a link can be changed or deleted. A screenshot cannot.
Tee-hee :) Point taken though!
No way to cross post is there?
Also would be neat to have a blended account feature -
infosec.exchangeis defederated fromsh.itjust.workseven though we’re OK I swear. Might be time to raise that discussion again.Anyway only seeing this because of the repost. And for the visually paired (easy of seeing?) (not blind?), screenshots of text can sometimes have a je ne sais quoi. A bit of text fitting just so in the right font, maybe a light background breaking the monotony of one’s dark mode…
Screenshots, surprisingly resilient in $current_year. One day Lemmy could autotranscribe screenshots and include original post date, platform, author… maybe how deep fried it was too.
Yeah, cross-posts would be a new post from me, rather than the original from e.g. George Takei, which isn’t ideal.
I hadn’t really thought about defederation between servers running both Mastodon and Lemmy. I guess that post wouldn’t show up on sh.itjust.works (I’ll have a look if anyone subscribes from there)
Here’s the most recent post I (on justworks) see:
Defederation can hurt
Hmmm, that’s not defederation though. The community’s outbox has the 20 most recent posts in, and that cat gif is currently at number 20. The only way those earlier posts can be there are if someone brought though the community a day or so ago and then didn’t subscribe. If anyone ever does subscribe, I can manually send the rest (and can see if the infosec one fails)
Hmm, I don’t understand.
Lemmy World & Midwest Social show the community and the latest post. JustWorks doesn’t show the latest post. Infosec doesn’t show the community. Lemmon doesn’t seem to have an actual homepage, but looks a bit like an RSS feed; the Tails community there 403s.
Defed Investigator can’t find Lemmon but reports on some communities which are federated with it. Infosec is reportedly federated but doesn’t show the community.
1.) what’s an outbox (on Lemmy)?
2.) “if someone brought though the community a day or so ago and then didn’t subscribe.”?
3.) “manually send the rest”? Also you’re the Lemmon admin?
lemmy.world has the community, and is keeping up to date with it, because someone (me, actually) brought it through and subscribed.
midwest.social has the community, but won’t get further updates because no-one subscribed (so technically I don’t have the inbox address for it - it’ll be the same format as everyone else of course, but it would reject updates with the ‘community has no subscribers’ error if I sent stuff to it anyway).
justworks was in the same situation as midwest.social, but it has a subscriber now, so now it has everything and will keep up to date. I didn’t have to do anything - the new subscriber’s action re-fetched the outbox (discussed below) and luckily that contained everything that was missing. The post from infosec.exchange is there too, so that wasn’t affected by federation blocks.
lemmon.website isn’t running lemmy - the tails community is ‘virtual’ in that it’s just a bunch of static files pretending to be a real community. The main address 403s 'cos thats just a folder.
infosec.pub doesn’t have the community most likely because no-one who is logged in there has searched for it (instances won’t search outside their own database if the query isn’t from a logged-in user). lemmon.website is in their /instances list though, so there’s no blocking.
An outbox on lemmy contains the last 20 or so original Announces that the main community uses to tell the communities on other instances about a new post. To illustrate:
curl --header 'accept: application/json' https://lemmy.world/c/microblogmemes/outbox | jq .orderedItems[0]would be for the most recent post on microblogmemes. (Op’s post is at orderedItems[6]).Fetching this allows a new instance to re-create recent posts, as if it had received them at the time.
Someone clicked !tails@lemmon.website, but didn’t go further (they probably got lemmy’s misleading error screen and gave up). As with midwest.social - no subscribers = no more updates.
Yeah, lemmon.website is mine. Not running lemmy means I fudge things a bit (including having posts from Mastodon users, of course)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !microblogmemes@lemmy.world
Oh did tails go down two weeks ago?
No, it’s still running. I just got out of the habit of adding posts. I didn’t realise it’d been 2 weeks. I’ll start it up again in a bit.
Finally got around to reading this, awesome explanation! Keep up the good work!
I might be that subscriber from justworks BTW 😎
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Honestly I feel like a screenshot of a toot is better than just seeing a Lemmy-formated toot.
Maybe a cross-post feature which generates what the screenshot effectively shows but formatted in html to match mastodon formatting with functioning links that’s hosted on the instance the Lemmy community is in to avoid federation issues?
Edit to add: on the other hand I regularly forward the screenshots to friends on other platforms, so I’d either screenshot the thing created to stop screenshots or need a share/download button to create a image because I know my friends ain’t interested in clicking a wierd fediverse link to view a 2 sentence joke they may or may not find funny
We’re stuck with the HTML formatting that lemmy provides us, unfortunately. It’s not just about an image vs. text though - it’s also about being from the original author. OP for this post is getting plenty of replies, but I’ve no idea if it’s an issue they care about, or just something they saw and found passingly amusing.
As for sending on, a screenshot to friends on non-ActivityPub platforms is more reasonable (although being text means you could just copy/paste it, and then include any friends with vision impairments too).
But yeah, there’s lots of pro’s to a screenshot that I don’t have an argument against (I posted in this thread, but it’s not like I’m going to show up everytime someone yoinks something from Mastodon)
Oh yeah I was just imagining out loud what a better way of handling cross-posted content across federated platforms could look like
Neither of those links load in Voyager, so I think a screenshot is great.
What’s happened for you there isn’t a problem for screenshots to really fix - it’s whatever frontend you’re using not giving lemmy’s backend enough time to fetch a remote community. This happens loads - I even made a little video about it the other day: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/13703060
When you clicked on !tails@lemmon.website, it did actually go through to dbzer0, and Voyager has no trouble with the community once it’s though. A little ironically perhaps, but here’s a hastily combined screenshot showing it at dbzer0 and on Voyager:
edit: and the link to the post of course: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/13850191
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Sorry, maybe I’m being a bit dense, but I don’t really understand what you mean. ‘This post’ as in the post on microblogmemes?
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