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      Make a show with Legacy in the title

      It has absolutely no impact

      It’s like poetry it rhymes.

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      I literally watched it and still didn’t remember it until you said that name. Still couldn’t tell you a damn thing about it.

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        Of course you can, it’s about superheroes, you can see it in the costumes.

        Nothing besides that though. I also watched it and am drawing a blank. I think there was a scene with a boat for some reason?

        So yeah, canceling it made perfect sense.

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        I distinctly recall trying to watch the first few minutes and wondering to myself how they got the Power Rangers sets & props to look so clean. It was a fetid pile of wet shit otherwise, but the palpable cringe each actor seemed to be trying not to emote along with their lines was entertaining in a way. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣

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      I’ve never heard of it, and my wife & I are on Netflix multiple times a week.

      As a side note, other streaming services that took their stuff off of Netflix to make their own service because “hurr durr we want that money!”, have discovered that it’s hard to run and not always profitable. There are a LOT of things that have been gone off of Netflix for awhile that have suddenly started to show back up because content owners have discovered that it’s much easier to let Netflix deal with the infrastructure and just get paid. I remember when Netflix had almost everything you could want to watch in one place, and it was glorious! If you’ve cancelled over the lack of content, maybe give it another look. If you cancelled over the cost, maybe it’s more worth it now?

      I’m not a Netflix shill, I just remember the days when it was awesome because of the massive selection, and I’m hopefully seeing it slowly coming back around.

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        The massive selection existed because cable users paid for it. The big companies made content based on cable customers. Then licensed to netflix for extra profit just like they licensed to other countries’ broadcasters for extra profit.

        Then netflix killed the cable income, so it wasn’t profitable to make these shows, netflix wouldn’t pay the cost of licensing these shows for the actual cost so the licenses dropped and everyone had to make their own service’s.

        Rather, it’s netflix that is finding out that it’s difficult to make good shows, they lived on licencing other people’s shows, paid for by cable, then when they killed that money source they are struggling to produce good enough content to make their service worth it.

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          Netflix didn’t kill cable’s income, cable did that all on its own.

          Netflix has had some successes with their own shows, however their approach has always been “throw all the shit against the wall and see what sticks”.

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            Problem is they’d cancel a lot of stuff that did stick. Ending so many shows after one or two seasons and letting them end unresolved leaves a bitter taste in a viewers mouth. I quit watching almost any Netflix show before knowing the show has a proper ending. I’m sure they’ve put off the final season of stranger things over the last three years less because it wasn’t able to be finished sooner and more because they think a bunch of people are still subscribed only because they’re waiting to see the finale before unsubscribing.

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      Idk how the person never has never heard of it before. It’s not like Netflix are subtle about promoting their original series.

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          Neither have I and I have the damn screenshot saved. It also looked so utterly meh that I never bothered ever looking it up in the first place. Like this still easily could have passed for the cover of some daddy/mommy porn superhero series with how cheesy it looks.

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          It’s more like Boardwalk Empire meets Invincible.

          But don’t expect the same level of quality.

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        It’s also highly dependent on viewing history. There’s a ton of Netflix originals I’ve never seen because I don’t watch that kind of show. I don’t think I’ve ever had Bridgerton thrown in my face, but it’s just not my kind of show. This and that one with Mike Meyers I’ve seen a ton of the time, though.

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        Never heard of it until now, I’m online all the time. Cancelled Netflix 6 months ago since the quantity and quality balance of their content wasn’t worth it anymore with all the price increases.

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        Never heard of it. Netflix also likes to put you in little niche bubbles as soon as you show interest in one genre.

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        It felt like it had, at most, a month of advertisement, came out, people realized that was Thad Hamilton and not Raylan Givens, and then it was ignored even by the people who insist that Millar is not a hack.

        Also doesn’t help that all the action was horrible. And it was almost instantly compared to The Old Guard where Charlize Theron continued to demonstrate why “dancer with some gymnastics background” is nigh perfection for “visible face” action sequences with stunt actors and masked putties.

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    I watched the whole thing. I’ve certainly seen worse from bigger studios.

    If Jupiter’s Legacy had gotten a second season, I would’ve watched it.

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    I came to the conclusion that Netflix doesn’t understand marketing. The hit shows they had seem to be lucky finds and they think they can reproduce that by dumping money into a show and telling no one about it. Like fanboys will just watch whatever Daddy Netflix gives them.

    Cowboy Bebop is a perfect example. They market it to die hard anime fans and no one else. Those fans hate it and it gets cancelled. The show wasn’t that bad and people like my dad would have loved it, had he ever heard about it.

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      Hard agree on the live action Cowboy Bebop. It was pretty good, all in all.

      Honestly they nailed Jet so hard, it was fantastic. Just his whole vibe captured perfectly.

      The original stuff was pretty good. It faltered hardest when it tried to recreate shots one for one from the anime.

      Well, it faltered the hardest with Ed in the final scene. Not a good lasting impression.

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        Yup. I don’t think it was a perfect retelling but the episodes with Spike, Jet, and Faye just being bounty hunters were so damn enjoyable. I’m really bummed we didn’t get more of that.

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      I really like cowboy bebop the live action and anime and was crushed when they canceled it. But no one out side of anime circles hear about. Everyone I have told to watch it has loved it. They need to be more selective again and market those select shows and slowly build a catalog of good shows. Instead they where worried they where going to lose people when other companies started their own streaming services and just green lit everything and then canceled 99% of them before people could even find them.

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        i friggen loved it. So fucked that the loud anime crowd lost their shit that a live action show apparently didn’t perfectly replicate in every single detail their beloved child.

        Perfect became the murderer of really great.

        Seriously im still so angry it got canned.

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          Finally someone like me! I really enjoyed that it wasn’t a complete recreation of the anime, which would be impossible to recapture the perfect madness that was the original. Instead they kinda riffed on the madness of the original in their own way which I think really plays to the jazz tone of the show.

          I fucking hate weeb fans for reasons like this they really are the worst, fans in general ruin good things. I also liked the live action GITS but that also took flak from other directions.

          I too am still salty

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      My dad actually really liked the cowboy bebop live action show, I think he said he even watched some of the anime after, which is pretty crazy as I don’t think he’s ever watched anime intentionally on his own before.

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        which is pretty crazy as I don’t think he’s ever watched anime intentionally on his own before.

        I mean, Cowboy Bebop is sometimes referred to as “the anime for people who say they don’t like anime” for a reason. It’s many people’s first foray into the world of anime, and it’s what helps them ditch the “eh it’s all just cartoons for kids” mentality.

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            Actually anime kinda did for me! silly cat from skekz was my introduction to jazz just recently. I had no idea I liked this kind of music but it was in a video named something like music from flcl dreams.

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              Same here! It really expanded my view of music. Not just Jazz but all kinds of instrumental music. I never shutdown a song because it’s “country”, “reggae”, “rap” whatever. I always give it a try and it’s 100% because of the soundtrack for this show.

              Also if you haven’t heard the new stuff they made for the reboot, it’s pretty solid!

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      Yeah I thought that was fucking bizarre. No packer or anything. Just a fucking… box? Or are they insinuating that being a superhero means your dick is shaped like a pyramid?

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    I find it funny how both Netflix and Amazon are just so good at burning money on mediocre shite nowadays. Amazon’s studio output has always been throwing obscene money at any pitch or stupid idea, but once upon a time when Netflix promoted their own shows, you just knew they were going to be worth watching.

    It’d be fine, if both companies hadn’t ruined their products and laid off hundreds, if not thousands of people.

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      Netflix still CAN make good shows, usually they’re from Spain or south Corea though

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          My car got towed when I went to the doctor (I’m too overweight to walk very far) and my medical bill was huge, so now I am bankrupt. At least I can sell my gun range that’s also a bar for cash. If I don’t fix my financial situation now, my kids will never be able to afford college, forever dooming my descendents to a life of burger flipping and penury.

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      Technically, it isn’t burning any money, it’s all a tax write-off and they don’t necessarily have any profit to report to the IRS. The US Film Industry has always been like that: employ all your friends, keep the money flowing, buy nice houses for the shareholders and producers, then pull the rug on anybody who worked for “percent of net profit/earnings.” Hollywood accounting, they call it.

      A lot less funny with all the context.

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    I watched it. It was a good looking show. And the origin story (which took over half the season I think) was well done. But where it really fell down is that none of the characters are likeable. At the end of the season I was kind of relieved it was over because I didn’t care whether any of them lived or died.

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    That show sucked ass. I got through the first episode. I’m sure it worked better as a comic book. The villain was like, killing the superheroes left and right and then one of the heroes finally killed the villain (who had escaped prison or something) and then the papa hero got all pissy because “We don’t kill!” Just really stupid stuff

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    I hope they didn’t use that image in any of the marketing. It just looks like geriatric super heroes. Why would I want to watch that?

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    And yet people still pay for the shit. Because… social peer pressure? Addiction?

    All I read is how people can’t afford shit, streaming is expensive, the content sucks, I can’t steal passwords anymore; yet people keep paying for this shit and their subscribership keeps increasing.

    People need to vote with their wallets.

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      People still pay for it because canceling an account apparently isn’t cancelling an account…

      I dropped Netflix years ago, cancelled the account like I can’t even log in, it says account doesn’t exist, and yet up until I noticed it a few months ago they were still taking money from my PayPal…

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      Production of any show is a “write off”. You can write off any business related costs. Cancelling a show doesn’t change that.

      Cancelling does stop the current spending on that show, and promote other shows above it. That’s the only savings they get. Spending $200 million and cancelling a show after a month is a boneheaded chain of decisions.

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        Marketing for Hollywood shows and movies is normally a huge fraction of the budget. If they spend $200m to make the show and realize it’s shit, if they cancel the marketing budget the loss might be smaller than if they spend $150m to market the shit out of it and it flops like they expected.

        What sucks is when they remove it from their own streaming services. I can’t see how that helps anyone. It costs next to nothing to add it to the catalogue and make it available to anybody who happens to find it. That way all the hard work of the actors, directors, gaffers, best boys, and everyone else involved isn’t just thrown away.

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        Maybe that’s why they are on this kick of annual price increases, under the guise of “rising costs” due to “inflation”.

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          They are just bad at running a business. They were the only game in town for a long time. They still didn’t make money. That’s pretty bad.

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        I’m pretty sure it’s for tax deductions as it’s a loss if they cancel it. The cost to host the show would be completely negotiable as people would just watch something else.

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          It’s not an extra write off just because it doesn’t make money. The tax effect is the same as a successful show.

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            I’m pretty sure that’s not the case and that they can’t write it off as a loss unless they cancel it. I’ve specifically read about that happening with HBO, Disney and Netflix.

            To chalk it up to stupidity when it’s a reoccurring thing among big businesses is stupidity; they’re doing it for a reason and typically that reason is money.

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              Ooh so it’s both

              Kevon is right, one tax benefit is the cost of the show: whether they cancel it or not they get to write off those expenses, and they get a tax break there

              Chris would be correct too though: if Netflix holds the IP as assets on the balance sheet, they’d be held at some present value of expected royalties. When they cancel the show id imagine that asset value takes a shit, that’s a write off, so tax benefit there

              That said no business does this to make money from the tax asset, you have to lose more than the government gives you back

              More likely Netflix is high off it’s own farts and thinks just money can make cinema magic and it clearly can’t.

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              You “pretty sure” and think you read something? I’m telling you, all production costs are tax deductions. As long as they’re actual business expenses, not personal ones. It doesn’t matter if the show is a success. I’m telling you that’s how accounting works. There’s no check box if a show is successful.

              Promoting the show is a different cost that they will save now that they cancelled it. Link the article you read.

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                I’m pretty sure you can manage a search about why streaming platforms remove shows. Disney did it with Willow and HBO did it with loads of shows after the merger.

                It’s not like you have cited shit and you’re the one making claims about taxes from the start.

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    I didn’t think it was that good anyway, but it boggles belief that they spent that much on one season of anything. 200 million is a ludicrous amount of money, and they just flushed it and went “oops lol, anyway, here’s wonderwall”.

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    I stongly feel there should be a rule for streaming platforms to make a satisfying season finale every time, because of the extremely high risk of cancellation every time they make something.

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      Should be a contractual obligation that if a show is optioned for additional seasons and Netflix cancels it, there are at the very least on the hook for a movie to tie up any outstanding plot points.

      Not only to give the fans of the show closure, but potential new audience the confidence that the content available on their platform will likely have a satisfying narrative arc.

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        Yeah, I’ve lost count how many times I click on a show to potentially watch and see that its from like 3 or 4 years ago and has only 1 season. I immediately move on and don’t even bother at that point.