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US does not have the really good competitors to Tesla like EU has.
And our misinformation system is more effective.
In Canada, the latest quarter marketshare of plugin vehicles was at 13.3%, with 2nd quarter at 10.5% and 1st quarter at 9.2% (note link is a PDF). That’s an average of 11% across 3 quarters but that number is likely slightly higher or lower when calculating the year as a whole because of number of sales made each quarter would be different.
Anyways, 11% marketshare in Canada is much higher than America’s 9%. I wonder if this might explain why it’s so hard to find an EVs in Canada with waiting lists lasting years. As I wonder if car companies were expecting Canada to mirror the US in uptake with EVs and continue to allocate so few EVs.
“Tesla has long used the North American Charging Standard for its EV plugs”
False.
Tesla disagrees with you https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard
“…Tesla’s Supercharging network has 60% more NACS posts than all the CCS-equipped networks combined.”
How so? I thought only the OG roadster used something other than NACS. And that was just a j1772.
NACS is the CCS protocol through the Tesla plug. It can support a passive adapter to charge non Tesla EVs. It is currently rolled out to the one or two dozen superchargers with Magic Dock and is included in the two v4 sites rolled out in Atlanta and Oregon (but has not been activated there, yet).
I will be performing the CCS upgrade on my 2020 Model 3 but will not buy the CCS adapter. That will make my car ready to use 3rd party charging stations once they have rolled out NACS plugs.
NACS is the CCS protocol through the Tesla plug. It can support a passive adapter to charge non Tesla EVs. It is currently rolled out to the one or two dozen superchargers with Magic Dock and is included in the two v4 sites rolled out in Atlanta and Oregon (but has not been activated there, yet).
You are wrong. Here is what Tesla says about it. I would encourage you to stop spreading misinformation.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard
As a purely electrical and mechanical interface agnostic to use case and communication protocol, NACS is straightforward to adopt. The design and specification files are available for download, and we are actively working with relevant standards bodies to codify Tesla’s charging connector as a public standard. Enjoy.
Okay, so how do you want to word it, then? Tesla and 3rd party providers could have employed any protocol with the open-sourced hardware, but they settled on CCS since that’s what nearly all non-Tesla EVs already use?
Okay, so how do you want to word it, then? Tesla and 3rd party providers could have employed any protocol with the open-sourced hardware, but they settled on CCS since that’s what nearly all non-Tesla EVs already use?
That’s up to the 3rd party providers. But NACS is not a communication protocol.
I’ve been staring at our exchange, and I finally understand why you were so adamant about your point. The way I worded my position implied that Tesla would be dropping their proprietary protocol when communicating with Tesla vehicles and switching entirely to CCS for v4 and converted v3 sites.
I know that is not the case at all, and I see now that my wording left open that possibility. I think we all understand that Tesla-branded superchargers will run multiple protocols over the same connector, while 3rd party providers will not have access to Tesla’s proprietary protocol and will therefore run CCS-only. If Tesla dropped their proprietary protocol, they would abandon hundreds of thousands of drivers with older cars that do not have CCS support (like mine).
It says “plug” so true.
You can argue other parts and software, but the plug is compatible.
I just paid $2.99 cents per gallon which makes switching to an EV a tougher sell for many of us in the USA. Eventually I will own an EV but at these low gas prices there is no big rush to trade in my mid-size SUV with 55,000 miles for an EV when I only drive 13,000 miles per year.
Where is your $2.99 gallon? It’s $4/gallon around me in PA and if you check the AAA average gas prices by state $2.99 is the low outlying exception, not the norm.
Welcome to NJ.
So interesting that Germany has so many, but I hardly saw any the last two times I was there (Berlin and Frankfurt). While in Madrid we have so many, it’s starting to become the norm to see one every few minutes. I saw a lot of PHEVs in Germany, maybe they count them as well?
Saw a lot more electric lately, but perhaps it’s cuz I’m in the process of buying one. At my hometown there is just the same 10 cars I always see. But at work in Stuttgart there are so many (~1/3 parked cars), lot of white Tesla, many BMW and Audi, and even saw a BYD atto3 and ora this week for the first time
Only can speak of austria, but they become quite common. Enyaq, id3, born, id4, model S, model 3 and model Y, Zoe and leaf are common sights. BMW i4 also can be spotted in and around Vienna regularly
I see a lot of ioniq 5 and porsche taycan here in Munich. I think the taycan is the most common EV I see here weirdly…
Oh, forgot the kias and Hyundai’s. Also common sight. Kona and niro especially, but ioniq5 and ev6 also every now and then. Hardly seen taycans so far (or I mix them up with the Panamera). But that’s more of a posh car. Similar to the i7 or eqs/eqe
The 35% number is incl. PHEV yes. Pure BEV is still slightly below 20%
The 35% number is incl. PHEV yes. Pure BEV is still slightly below 20%
It’s weird that they’d use Germany as the example where pure BEV is below 20%. As of August 2023, the share of new BEV + Hybrid vehicles in the UK is 38%. By the end of the year we could be seeing as many as 1 in 4 new cars being pure battery electric.
As of August 2023, the share of new BEV + Hybrid vehicles in the UK is 38%. By the end of the year we could be seeing as many as 1 in 4 new cars being pure battery electric.
What? So far this year BEVs accounted for 16.3% of new cars sales in UK, and PHEVs for 7.1%, for total of 23.4%. Which is solid result but definitely behind Germany.