Speaking about the future of ICE-powered vehicles in general, Bierman said: “Australia is safe, the US would be safe, but somebody needs to make a decision. Markets other than that, forget it”. The Senior Technical Advisor said that their European division is “dreaming” in the EV clouds and “doesn’t care” for petrol-powered cars anymore. This makes us believe that Hyundai could take a different road when it comes to the EU-spec version of the i30 N hot hatch.
I wonder how telling this quote is regarding Bierman’s relatively sudden departure.
Regardless, the 2.5T ending up in the Elantra N would probably mean that Hyundai has pulled out of TCR. I don’t really see this all happening unless the market polarity accelerates in the next few years.
Regardless, the 2.5T ending up in the Elantra N would probably mean that Hyundai has pulled out of TCR.
Why? Audi runs the RS3 with a 2.0T and FWD in TCR. The road car is completely separate.
Glad to see the ICE Ns are sticking around. Hopefully they make another hot hatch.
It has to go AWD at this point, the 2.5t is already putting down too much power for the heavier Sonata/K5 and I doubt a good LSD is going to help that much in this case.
Make the future 2.5t elantra rwd then we can talk. Also an awd sonata n is not a bad idea
IMO I love the Elantra & Velo N we have but yeah a little more power would be nice.
Really wish they’d give it AWD. I’d buy one in an instant.
Talking about next gen already when the 2024 isn’t even out yet?
throw in the 3.3t already you cheap fucks 🗣️
If only they hadn’t ceased production of the Veloster N in 2022. A lot of people wouldn’t ever consider a performance sedan like the Elantra, when what we want a more sporty and dynamic car with better styling and handling like the Veloster N was. I can only imagine a revamped Veloster N with the 2.5l engine, but that’s unlikely to happen since Albert Biermann practically left it to RIP before retiring.
By all accounts the difference in handling between the Elantra N and Veloster N is so marginal you’d have to drive them back to back to notice
I wonder what direction Honda will take with the next CTR. I’m betting it’ll be a Hybrid.
6spd DCT, rear electric motors for that ✨ A W D ✨… if Honda can cook properly, a hybrid CTR will certainly be interesting
Sacrilege
The future is hybrid/electric no matter how much we resist; I will always love ICE sports cars and if we could keep going on like this, I’d love that
But it’s only a matter of time until the EPA or other environmental boogeymen start knocking on the door; and would you rather the CTR cease to exist as a whole than allow it to continue on, for even just a short while longer, with electrification to pass emissions?
Sacrilegious? Probably; but isn’t it more sacrilegious to let it die without even trying?
(I’m not trying to start an argument or whatever, this is just my view of things)
Nice upgrade but nope considering it won’t have manual stick shift.
Im not a Hyundai guy but thats cool that they’re throwing the 2.5T in the Elantra. So basically you’re getting a larger sedans motor Sonata N Line in the smaller Elantra great move.
I hope it happens but it’s far from confirmed. Not even a second gen is confirmed. This is just Albert Biermann saying he made sure the engine could possibly fit in the car.
Hopefully we finally get the Sonata N with this move.
Right a true N this time no more N-Line, and maybe AWD
The turbocharged 2.5-liter four-cylinder petrol engine in question is fitted in the Hyundai Sonata N Line where it produces 286 hp (213 kW / 289 PS) and 422 Nm (311 lb-ft) of torque.
It also makes 300hp in the G70. I wonder what is so different about this 2.5L maybe it will have more overhead and be able to take power easily, because those numbers seem pretty low or at least “average” for a regular 2.0L I4, I feel like a 2.5L should at least be getting into the 310-330s range of HP. Either way this is great news
I’m sure it can make those numbers or higher, the Sonata N-Line and G70 aren’t in the same category as an N in terms of pushing performance.
Ford got 350/350 out of 2.3L, and Merc is getting 382/354 out of 2.0L.
Those numbers seem very low for a 2.5L performance model.It’s also been the base engine in the Kia Stinger since 2022 MY. It’s a solid powerplant at 300HP but in a FWD car the torque steer…
The Civic Type R seems to manage with 300hp FWD
The CTR has a pretty trick setup for the front suspension that the Elantra N doesn’t. If you threw 300hp into a Civic Si it would probably torque steer like hell too.
From a roll. Have you ever launched a FWD car with 300+ HP?
Ok but the Civic Type R and Elantra N aren’t drag race cars. So the launch isn’t high up on the priority list. You don’t buy these cars for that.
They pretty much stomp on most other cars in their price range when it comes to track/autocross times, even cars who have better 0 to 60 launches due to AWD and RWD.
Yes.
With modern suspension designs and LSDs it’s perfectly fine. You have to manage traction, but torque steer doesn’t have to be an issue.
My GTI is making 350lbft to the wheels and I don’t have any issues with torque steer.
Since when was launching a car from a stop related to its handling characteristics? Lol
Based on my own experience it really doesn’t. It does well when accelerating but powering out of sharp turns the front axle is completely overworked.
So you experienced undeesteer? Lol that doesn’t really mean much about the car not being able to handle 300hp.
The car rotates amazing when you lift off the throttle.
I’m not talking about understeer. I’m talking about the steering wheel getting jolted by any tiny bump underload while lacking any sense of communication.
The Type R is incredibly potent, but from a the Elantra N is way more fun to drive even if it isn’t as fast.
They can just limit the torque at lower gears.
Bold of you to assume Hyundai would do that. Go look at the YouTube reviews of the Kia K5 with 300HP. Just roasts tires lol.
I’m not sure why they don’t use 6 cyl. The fuel economy on this engine is going to suck compared to a turbo 6 cyl. And it’s going to have worse low end torque too.
Literally what hatchback in the modern era has had a 6 cylinder?
MK5 R32 count? That’s about it.
The R32 was a complete failure, was outperformed by its less expensive competitors, and replaced with a four cylinder Golf R
So my point stands. Six cylinders in a small hatch is just a stupid idea
None but they should!
I don’t know how they’re getting these numbers out of a 2.5T.
They could be pushing 400 hp with that engine.
Look, I know it’s not linear, but my 1.4T Opel makes 150 hp. The 1.6T optional engine makes 200hp. By this logic, there is 50 hp increase every 0.2 litres of displacement.
So I would expect like 420hp out of this. I am definitely wrong, but still, like 370 hp should be possible.