In case any of you were waiting for Black Friday type deals between now and the end of the year
FML I just took delivery 4 days before this was announced
I don’t see any new cars or existing inventory cars that are 3k off
Me neither. Happy for those in an area that sees this discount.
What area are you in?
South east
Pretty soon they’ll be down to the same price as an ICE car comparable in quality/reliability …AKA KIA Forte
With battery prices dropping, this might not even result in much of a margin hit.
A Quick Look at all the price drops on battery operated tools for this Black Friday seems to confirm a drop in battery prices.
This is a great sign for EVs and renewable power.
With battery prices dropping, this might not even result in much of a margin hit.
Ouch. How many bags are you holding?
this might not even result in much of a margin hit.
??? Why state this, you can just look at their numbers and see their margins are in fact dropping.
Just another huge “ margin hit “ to existing owners haha Hopefully one day Tesla owners start to care more about the company having its shit together and not tanking their resale than the company they don’t profit from margins.
I’ve been buying tools for years. They always go on sales on Black Friday. The price aren’t even low compared to what it was before.
I’m not saying that battery prices aren’t going down, I’m saying that the Black Friday sales means nothing.
A Quick Look at all the price drops on battery operated tools for this Black Friday seems to confirm a drop in battery prices.
Heaps of kits and the more basic skins (eg. leafblower, angle grinder, hammer drill) get massive discounts because they get people into an ecosystem (and once they’re in, they’re unlikely to move out). Black Friday SKUs are basically loss-leaders to sell the rest of the range (and extra batteries) at full price later on, so I wouldn’t use them to gauge the broader market.
This is why I leased. Tesla can tank their used market as much as they want, my “resale value” is enshrined in a contract.
Leasing was a bad deal when I bought, but now it’s more reasonable. Probably still a few bucks more than buying though, at least based on my current mileage and valuation.
But thats what makes leasing rates go higher for people who want to get a lease now.
I’m sure demand is fine. Nothing to see here.
Can’t give them away…
If they bring the highland over soon I’m guessing inventory price will drop even more. These things could go below 35K soon.
r/fuckcars when gigacasting and battery prices means everyone and their grandma owns a reliable EV for $5k that charges instantaneously in
105 years.You can be pro EV but also want less cars and more walkable cities.
Lol I wish we were only 5 years away from that.
they’re trying to get prices down under 30-35ish by late 2024 or at least that’s what was hinted at in the second quarterly meeting. Although I’m not sure how feasible that’ll be.
I’m guess they drop prices by about 3,500 as it says on their site the federal tax credit drops by that amount December 31st
Yeah that’s possible because the government supposed to reinstate tax credit. It used to only apply for states when they get it up into so many thousands of models sold and then the tax credit didn’t apply anymore. It needs to be permanent
Funny, none of this ever applies in other countries. Here in Spain the price is still 40k for the most basic model 3. How come only the USA ever sees these discounts? Is demand that high in Europe?
Do you look at the inventory? Because in The Netherlands these discounts are applied to the ‘inventory’ cars. However, with the updated model I assume that the demand is very high right now so I don’t expect any discounts this quarter.
There does not seam to be any inventory, delivery time is 2-6 weeks.
I always read about Tesla not doing well, etc yet they seam to sell every car they have in Europe.
Maybe it’s just a NA thing?
“Not doing well” is extremely relative for a company with almost a Trillion valuation. They had 60+% of the EV market for a long time and it was priced into their share price that they’d continue to have a quasi monopoly if the industry as well as be “more than a cat company”.
They still increased sales, revenue, and margins are still better than much of the industry. That said, they only have 4 models, only two of which really sell in large numbers, all in need of a refresh now and revolutionary vs evolutionary update within a few years in most industry analyst opinions. Cybertruck looks like a money sink with no end in sight and $25K EV doesn’t currently exist and seems like another case of over promising.
I still see almost as many new Teslas as all other EV brands combined where I live, but 5 years ago I only saw Teslas, and I’m seeing more and more of the “failed startup” cars like Lucids and Rivians, and traditional auto companies are popping up on the roads all over the place. Even some forgotten cars like Bolt EV were selling like crazy this past 6 months where I live. See a lot of electric BMWs.
By most metrics they had a good year but they failed at biggest metric: maintaining market share as the market exploded in size. They’re cutting margins to try to maintain it but it just isn’t working because there are other things besides just the amount of vehicle you get per cost that are driving people’s choices. Brand loyalty, luxury experience, quality control, form factor, performance and range all matter too.
I’m sure Wallstreet doesn’t expect Tesla to capture 60% of the US EV market at the point where EVs are making up 50% of the US new car market and then beyond as EVs take even more of the market. In 2022, the US car and light truck market was nearly 14 million so that would take 8.4 million Teslas to capture 60%. At $5,000 in profit per car, that would be $42 billion in profit per year just out of the US market. Tesla’s market cap would be way higher if that was a reasonable expectation.
So losing market share from 60% is priced into the stock and expected by basically everyone. You are right though that the question is: how fast does the market share erode (as the market grows quickly) and where does it start to settle in (e.g., does Tesla settle in at 25% of the US new car market; that would be huge because it would be 3.5 million a year of sales just in the US (a massive increase over the about 600,000 Tesla will sell in the US in 2023 and not remotely a number of cars that Tesla can manufacture for the US anytime soon)).
Periodically other manufacturers have had 20-25% of US market share for overall vehicle sales so it’s tough to justify their valuation based on that. A frequent justification of that valuation was that the company could maintain market share. 50+% was always unrealistic but if they can’t capture more than 25% what would make them more valuable than another make making good margins? Toyota for instance.
Tesla has been disconnected from fundamentals forever but “growth” companies start to suffer in the market when the revenue growth and future market share start to decline. Falling margins doesn’t help their case.
Tesla is heavily discounting cars in europe at the end of each quarter for the last 4 quarters now. There were regular price reductions in Q4/2022 and Q1/2023 in Q2 and Q3 Tesla mostly reduced prices on inventory cars and offered other benefits (free supercharging, trade in etc.)
There are literally hundreds sitting at a mall parking lot near my local Tesla showroom (NE US).
Seams to be a US thing
In my country try the base model 3 starts at USD 48,000
Dat sweet, sweet government stimulus money.
You liar :D
https://www.tesla.com/es_ES/inventory/new/my?arrangeby=relevance&range=0
Same inventory discounts as everywhere else in europe.
I do not see any inventory. This link does not take me to inventory in Spain. All I get is the option to order a car with 2-6 weeks waiting time.
Maybe it’s because I am on mobile.
Sweden has massive discounts on the Y now, perhaps related to the strike.
That’s funny. Can they strike in Spain please.
Import fees, does Spain have a factory inside Spain?
Inside the EU there are no fees. And I believe the important taxes at the EU boarders are the same all over.
În Romania it applies, we already have discounts on inventory cars, between 3-7K euros. This summer we had really good ones, people were buying the SR for 27K, and LR & Performance for 37K.
Black Friday deals on a car? Lol
Feliz Tesladad
It’s excellent.
Get butts in seats!
No
It used to be a thing until the car shortage from pandemic
Reminds me of those focus and a dell commercials from back in the day
Model Y inventory in germany is discounted by up to 7000€ for the LR version.
still way overpriced. Should be sub $30k IMHO.
G’Damnit!
Now it’s slightly cheaper to be the new stupid! 🤮
And free for you!
In my country try the base model 3 starts at USD 48,000