Going to have to add a “navigate by ⇓ Investment portfolio” option to these threads soon.
Is IF Metal arguing for rights for emplyees that are NOT in it’s UNION?
LoL. Tesla has no Unionized employess? So why is IF metal Sticking its nose into their business?
Tesla does have unionized employees that are members of IF Metall and are on strike. So of course IF Metall is going to argue for their rights, no matter if there are also employees at Tesla who are not members of the union.
As any decent union would.
Literally extortion. Absolutely pathetic that they’re allowed to impede companies to extort them for money.
Nice that you are able to live solely with the privilege to work somewhere and not with the money that the employer gives you.
Elmo will have to negotiate soon or their brand will completely die in Sweden.
Swedish to English translation:
IF Metall’s strike against Tesla in the fight for a collective agreement has almost lasted a month, but work at Tesla’s facilities is still ongoing. There are staff who take care of cars that have arrived by truck and make them ready for customer delivery. Among other things, the number plates that normally arrive via Postnord are mounted.
But that will stop.
Tesla will henceforth not receive any new license plates because Postnord no longer handles mail for the electric car company. The Swedish Transport Agency may not change postal providers.
“The authority Kammarkollegiet has procured a framework agreement for letter and parcel services that all authorities must use. And according to that agreement, we must use Postnord,” explains Anna Berggrund, Director of the Department of Vehicle Information at the Swedish Transport Agency.
On Monday night, the Union for Service and Communication Employees’ sympathy measure came into effect. It involves a blockade against the distribution, delivery and collection of shipments, letters, packages and pallets made by Postnord and Citymail to all of Tesla’s workplaces throughout Sweden. The trade union ST’s blockade concerning Postnord’s deliveries to Tesla began to apply on Tuesday afternoon.
Anders Porelius, who is press manager at Postnord Sweden, confirms that all mail delivery to Tesla has been stopped.
“We are neutral in the basic conflict, but we do not bypass the blockade. Shipments destined for Tesla are not distributed. The right to strike is so strong that it counts as force majeure. This means that we are not violating our social mission,” he says.
What does Postnord do with all the mail destined for Tesla?“We take care of it and store it,” says Anders Porelius.
The Swedish Post and Telecommunications Board, which is the supervisory authority, is informed and announces via press officer Petter Öhrn that the issue is being followed.
There is no information on how many number plates are involved so far. Between January and October, roughly 17,000 new Teslas have been registered in Sweden, which means an average of 1,700 cars per month. New registrations have continued even since the strike broke out. Last week alone, approximately 500 new cars were delivered. The plates are ordered when the car leaves the factory so there will be a delay before the postal blockade hits the car deliveries.
The process of registering cars is the same for all car brands. New cars are registered by the Swedish Transport Agency and then an order is made for registration plates from the supplier with whom the Swedish Transport Agency has an agreement. It is Scandinavian Motorcenter (SMC) in Danderyd. But Tesla is not allowed to go there and collect the signs.“Our agreement with SMC describes how the signs are to be distributed to ensure that the signs are delivered to the right recipients. The agreement does not allow signs to be handed out or picked up directly from the sign manufacturer,” says Anna Berggrund.
She explains that the Swedish Transport Agency’s responsibility is to ensure that the signs are manufactured.
“Our mission is to provide license plates through procured suppliers. We have completed this by taking the signs to Postnord," she says.
Tesla emphasized in a written statement to Di that the mail blockade “does not have an immediate impact on our delivery capability.”“The fact that the Swedish Transport Agency, the state authority responsible for the delivery of all license plates in Sweden, and Postnord, a state-owned company, contribute in this way to the disproportionate action of Swedish unions is remarkable. It is Tesla’s legal right not to enter into a collective agreement and the Swedish Transport Agency has a legal duty to deliver license plates,” writes Tesla. is remarkable. It is Tesla’s legal right not to enter into a collective agreement and the Swedish Transport Agency has a legal duty to deliver license plates," writes Tesla.
Pretty soon the police union will be harassing Tesla owners.
No one can harass Tesla, and no one has done it.
They have done the opposite, they have left Tesla alone. The workers will simply ignore Tesla from now on, that’s what the conflict is about.
That’s hilarious and delicious to hear. Don’t fuck with Sweden, Tesla. Many US companies tried before. They all failed.
Sweden has some healthy boots!
As you literally defend Musk. God the irony is incredible.
Proving yet again why government monopolies are bad ideas, and why public employee unions are an even worse idea. This is mob-imposed bullying, and that’s all it is. Tyranny of the majority in the flesh.
Tyranny of the majority
Poor little Tesla :(.
Come on man
Right - because Tesla is a big company, and more importantly, one that we don’t like, the rules no longer apply and it’s ok to employ the mob to force them to do what we want.
Tesla wants the rules of the system they are operating in not to apply to them.
That’s what this is all about. If Metal wants the standard rules of the Swedish market to apply to tesla. Tesla because they are either incredibly arrogant or incredibly stupid wants to avoid being a part of said standard rule set.
Thus the system that protects corporations in Sweden and guarantees a stable and almost strike free economy does not protect them.
This is because the entire system is built upon a mutual understanding between the unions and the employers. (BTW the unions are incentivised to keep companies alive and people employed because it is they who pay for unemployment benefits)
Tesla is free to operate outside this system. But then they should have no illusions about being able to access the work of the people within it. This includes the bank clerks BTW who have in the past refused to handle the financial activities of corporations in as a sympathy strike.
There’s no rule that says Tesla can’t operate with a non-unionized work force. What you are describing is a mob-run protection racket whereby the unions agree not to strike so long as a privately-owned company cedes decision making power to the union.
More importantly, you are describing unwritten rules imposed not by the government but by the mobs of union enforcers who believe they are entitled to co-ownership over businesses just because they are employed there.
“Tesla is free to operate outside this system…” you mean, they can try but they won’t enjoy equal protection under the law, and the government unions will attack them relentlessly. If you don’t want to work there, then don’t work there - but you aren’t entitled to work there AND demand Tesla recognize your union.
Unions have too much power and take no responsibility for their actions; Unions are effectively demanding squatters rights.
They have equal protection under the law
Because the law has no part of the protection. The protection comes from the agreement between workers and the employers.
Under the Swedish system both sides of the negotiations want the companies to succeed. It’s a system where almost everything related to labour relations, from compensation to work safely, is handled through the negotiations between the unions and the employers associations.
Also very funny about unions taking no responsibility, they are literally responsible for handling unemployment benefits, out of their own money. So if they go around killing companies they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
It’s a system where the incentive structures are set up in a way that encourages both sides to cooperate to achieve the best possible results for all sides.
If the government-controlled mail service can refuse to deliver mail to non-unionized employers, then there is no equal protection under the law.
“The last has no part of the protection. The protection comes from the agreement between workers and the employers.”
I think you said it better, except if the employers don’t agree, then there will be no peace. The employers don’t have a choice because the unions will make sure there is no peace unless the employers meet the union’s demands.
That’s not a system - it’s a protection racket - “That’s a nice shop you have there, be a shame if anything were to happen to it.”
The mail service isn’t refusing to deliver, the workers are. The mail service is just not allowed to replace those workers. The workers are free to refuse to service, it is in connection to a valid strike after all.
Yes the system is based on a truce between the employer and the employee. This is a truce that was effectively started in the 1930s after a couple of Union disputes ended with corpses (because the government was called in which lead to the military shooting striking workers). After that debacle both the employers and the employees decided they didn’t want government involvement in dealings in between them. To achieve this they must find common ground and work together. That is the foundation of the system.
It’s all based on mutual understanding that everyone wants the companies to succeed. It’s not an exploitative extortion racket by the unions. IF Metal has even been accused of being to soft in the recent past not negotiating strongly enough and getting worse deals than they could have. What is important in the system is that consensus on what rules we are to operate under is achieved. Something tesla refuses to agree to. Thus they break the truce that’s almost 100 years old. Then they do something that hasn’t been concidered proper for a equally long time long time (hire scabs and strike breakers). The does not take well to this refusal to sit at the table like adults. And thus the conflict has no other option but to escalate.
And the unions have far more friends to call in. Thus like toysrus before it is get out or sign.
The rules do apply. No laws are being broken here
The postal service - which is government owned - is refusing to provide service to a company unless that company unionizes its workforce - and people are cheering for it. The government is not supposed to endorse or allow this kind of discrimination.
and people are cheering for it.
Hell yeah we are we if they want to come here they better play with our rules. We dont want them to break in and start fucking our systems up.
Also discrimination lol. Its a company not a person
“Hell yeah we are we if they want to come here they better play with our rules”. Does Sweden require companies to have unionized workers? Those machinists agreed to work at Tesla knowing there was no union, accepted the job, and then decided to unionize.
So - you would be ok with the mail service refusing to deliver mail to Mosques?
“Also discrimination lol. Its a company not a person”
Companies are owned and run by people. So, again, a Mosque is a building, not a person, so it would be ok - under your rules - for the postal service to refuse delivery to the Mosque.
If the mosque refused to have a agreement sure.
And its not even about the workers joining unions. They dont have to. But the work place has to talk with unions to agree to a collective agreement.
Tesla isnt singled out most fucking companies and all large companies have to do this. 90% of all buisnesses do this and the exceptions are generally stuff like small family owned resturants.
Is it a legal requirement? No cause sweden have low legal requirements for both sides. But in Sweden the law isnt really considered the minimum.
Basically Tesla needs to stop crying and do the same shit everyone else got to fo
Tyranny of the majority in the flesh.
That’s called a “democracy”. Taking into account you are living in an undemocratic country where a minority can elect a president, you are obviously struggling with the concept.
Curious to hear your thoughts on police unions
The US is not a pure Democracy, never has been, but referring to it as an “undemocratic country” is just an ignorant slur. “Where a minority can elect a president” - that’s a common misconception among the ignorant. The individual states are sovereign in the US, the individual states select their choice for president based on a majority of votes within the state. It’s precisely that mechanism that protects the US from experiencing Tyranny of the majority the same way Europe does.
“Where a minority can elect a president” - that’s a common misconception
This is simply a fact 😂
Is it any different than almost every country with a parliamentary system where the PM isn’t elected by the people and their party gets nowhere near the majority of votes
Think again, slowly.
No. The US has not popular vote at the federal level, and the popular vote has no meaning within our Constitution. The majority is decided in the electoral college, not the popular vote.
Yes, which means the president is often selected by the minority of the voters against the will of the majority.
You know, like in a some dictatorships. In Soviet Union for example the state leader was selected by politburo members.
“Where a minority can elect a president” - that’s a common misconception among the ignorant.
It’s a statement of fact - multiple presidents in the last 25 years have been elected despite having fewer votes than an opponent.
Unions pushing for something Tesla workers didn’t ask and do not want at all. This is Unions trying to justify their existence in a situation where they are not needed. They fight to survive, not for workers’interests.
I’ve seen this argument many times and I don’t understand it at all.
Let’s say I work at Tesla. We have worse pay and worse benefits than competitors in this sector. I’m not in a union but some of my coworkers are and they want a fair wage and benefits.
They go on strike after a vote. Since I’m not in a union I continue to go to work.
Then why would I be mad that the union is pushing something that would benefit me? Higher pay and better benefits…
Only an idiot would dislike it.
So why are Teslas workers member of the union then and going on strike?
this just shows how messy labor disputes can get. it’s unfortunate for tesla and the customers waiting for their cars.
How is it legal to not deliver the mail?
Why don’t you send them a letter and ask?
Sympathy strikes in Sweden can be seen as a force majeure, meaning even if it is technically illegal the strike gets prio in Sweden.
Tesla is trying to get a competitve edge over other manufacturers by not signing a collective agreement like everyone else. Tesla is the one trying to get preferential treatment in this case!
If Tesla gets away with it others will try to follow! It would mean the end for the Swedish model that has served Sweden well for ages!
Lol, what an absurd take on the subject. Here we have a union lobbying workest that hare pefectly happy with their job. This is a blatant example of a parasite Union that tries to justify its own existence pushing for something nobody asked for.
If they are so happy, why are they striking?
less than 10% are striking: check the numbers, please
God y’all are working so hard to try to spin and deny.