It is amazing how much energy older auto companies have spent misleading people about alternative fuel vehicles.
Looks like it is time for me to update my list, however I need to track down the official Toyota press release as it seems every time I post an update on Toyota’s decade long solid state press release run people say it isn’t official and it will be MASS PRODUCED soon.
Toyota official press releases on solid state
2010 investigating solid state
2013 mentions working on solid state
2017 ETA commercialize by Early 2020s
2019 Will establish a joint venture with Panasonic by 2020 no ETA on batteries
Toyota has missed the EV boat. They keep making excuses but the truth is that they’ve had their head in the same for over a decade since Tesla launched the model S. Toyota lobbied against EV subsidies simply because they were so far behind.
They are slated to become the next Blockbuster or Sears. It may take a decade or so, but I don’t believe they can innovate. They couldn’t even implement a simple order process to help overcome supply chain backlogs, they were the least prepared and one of the most affected.
I used to be a toyota lexus fan boy. Now i HATE the company because i have learned what they are up to. Greed at all cost, like Japanese whalers.
Japan’s lack of EV development is just sad. I want an EV Civic or Corolla hatchback so bad.
Meanwhile, Korean auto makers will go all in on electrification, as they’ve already divested further ICE R&D and dumped it all into battery / electric motor R&D. Japan auto will continue to die a slow death and have ever more obtuse design language.
Meanwhile, Korean auto makers will go all in on electrification, as they’ve already divested further ICE R&D and dumped it all into battery / electric motor R&D.
Hyundai Denies It’s Abandoning Combustion Engine Development — Jan 04, 2022
Toyota should just shut down or at least shut up.
Sensible people would just admit that they got EVs wrong and promise to work twice as hard to get themselves out of that hole and catch up to the leading edge companies.
Stupid people, make a mistake, refuse to admit it, then double-down (or go all in!, pick your favorite cliché).
Back in the middle of the last decade Samsung and MIT announced a solid state battery (SSB) that could last for 500 years, or more. That was the research part of work and Samsung took it back to its factories to ‘bring it to market’. We are still waiting.
We do have solid state batteries but they are hand built by very expensive technicians. Musk has complained that robots lack the dexterity to do the job.
Interestingly realistic numbers, but that definitely puts plans in perspective.
It’s pretty clear that solid state is Toyota’s end goal, but they have been overly optimistic about it’s actual manufacturability.
This really doesn’t matter as long as they continue to develop other battery products and don’t focus of this 1 technology.
Why do people still listen to Toyota’s battery plans? They are not on the leading edge of technology. Go talk to CATL if you want to know what the next Big Thing in battery tech is going to be.
Toyota keeping the faithful hoping while pushing ICE.
It’s like watching blockbuster with extra stupid
Gotta save money for that anti-climate and crazy right-wing donations…Toyota, you suck.
It’s unfortunate that Toyota wasted so much time on hydrogen. I hope they can turn it around, but this is not a promising sign. 10k in 2030 is peanuts
Toyota: “When everyone is dead due to soil erosion and drought, we should have something viable on the drawing board.”
Ironic considering rare earth mining for batteries lead tensioned issues too
God it would be great if Toyota went bankrupt and they are auctioned off for parts, someone needs to get ahold of this supposed SSB advancement that actually wants BEV to succeed and not just to push out more compliance cars and waste batteries on hybrids.
waste batteries on hybrids
You do realize that mathematically, using a finite amount of battery resource on hybrids over BEVs generates a much larger GHG reduction at scale, and results in a higher volume of cars that many more people can actually afford right? Turns out partially addressing the problem for a large chunk of the market has a larger raw GHG impact than a more aggressive fix for a fraction of that number of vehicles, as BEVs need at least 5x the amount of battery capacity each on average but don’t produce that scale of additional environmental benefit of even a basic hybrid for the vast majority of drivers.
The big BEV push over PHEV and even traditional hybrids, in the US at least, is largely political and not science based, even in the stupid agency I work for.
Source: I help manage energy and carbon mitigation programs for the US EPA, including those touching EVs and EV charging.