Hey everyone, let’s find anything but an American company to cheer on!
I like the Lyriq, but they can’t make them and honestly they don’t care about the retail consumer. They are satisfying their fleet sales first because they know that EVs are still a tough sell in their bread and butter Midwest and Southern markets.
No kidding. This sub is so ridiculous. Hate on an American company because they didn’t like an Elon tweet. Such snowflakes
The cars are cheaper.
Yep, last I looked, I think about 80% of BYD’s sales are in different segments than Tesla.
BYD is no slouch but it’s not the best comparison.
Har a taxi ride in a BYD tang, would definitely take that over a model Y if i were in the market.
I was in an Uber model 3 on the way to the airport recently and the person I was speaking with said he didn’t like Tesla Ubers because riding in the back is bumpy and I immediately knew what he meant.
Yeah I have a model 3. It’s a great car, but the back seats are really only for my kids.
I would much rather buy a car in BYD’s preferred “segment” (a car with a motor and some batteries to get me and my stuff from A to B) than Tesla’s (overly fancy and techy robot stuff with bits of luxury)
BYD is more expensive than Tesla in my country, and lots of EU nations too.
You get a BYD here in Asia for nearly half the price than a Tesla. And they solid for everyday usage in the city.
Bingo.
BYD is focusing R&D on affordability. This is a winning strategy for mass sales not just in China but in many other countries.
It is why BYD is going to take the crown and keep going from there.
It will be interesting to see what the rumored Tesla Model 2 is like in regards to quality and price.
It seems automakers are finally realizing that affordability is key now if you want mass sales and world wide presence.
There just is only so many people who want premium and luxury. But I don’t see the Chinese entering the US and European market strongly. They would have to totally rebrand and change their design language. Only by buying failing western brands could they do well. As they did with MG and Volvo.
I would rather walk then buy a car made in China.
I bought a GWM H6 PHEV and I love it.
I get what you mean with Chinese brands BUT I get 5 years total coverage with free inspections and oil … so I don’t have to worry at all and in 5 years I switch the car anyways again as I know myself.
Went with the hybrid version gasoline+ev as it’s easier to make longer trips in my country as the charging coverage is not yet superb in Asia.
I was also against Chinese brands till I tested them myself and so far no problems. Lets see after the 5 years but I bet I sold the car by then.
They are selling the Han, Tang, Seal, Seal U, Dolphin and of course the Atto 3 in the Netherlands and seem to be doing quite well. I think they are selling more European countries but their Dutch importer Louwman seems quite keen on getting almost every model they sell into Europe https://www.bydauto.nl/
People said the same about Japanese cars in the 70s.
Thanks for doing your part for the environment by walking
BYD & GWM took over big time so far.
Toyota & Honda are still in development of EV cars here in Asia. They don’t have the one they have in Europe/USA
Tesla is cutting prices every month lol but yeah they can’t compete with BYD
Volvo is trying hard… but Volvo is so expensive I don’t get which people buy them compared to Tesla. I would go with Tesla.
BMW, Porsche and Mercedes if you want the high end … but they mostly have hybrids not full EV yet. But some models coming now.
USA/Europe is different than Asia though here in Asia people like Chinese cars if the price is right.
Volvo’s have nicer materials in car than Teslas, as I’ve heard I haven’t experienced this personally.
BYD is more than just focusing R&D on “affordability”, although they are certainly the clear number 1 on affordability.
After all, BYD literally just launched a 150k USD massive luxury hardcore SUV with a bespoke ladder frame chassis, 4 motor drivetrain with 1000 plus total horsepower, fully independent electromechanicohydraulic suspension at all 4 corners, and so meticulously waterproofed that it can float in water for 30 minutes without any water ingress into the passenger cabin. There is nothing affordable about the U8, yet BYD just launched it within months of launching their gamechanging 10k USD Seagull.
Agree. Americans largely only look at Teslas because the subsidies render most other EVs not price competitive but outside of the US, Teslas are pretty poor value for entry level EVs.
A BYD in the same class as a MY/M3 is more expensive than these are outside of the US.
Depends on the market. BYDs are significantly cheaper than Teslas in SE Asian, Australian, and Latin American markets, places with no domestic champion automakers to protect and therefore logical targets for BYD to sell at cheap prices to gain marketshare rapidly.
Just for a quick comparison here for LATAM markets: the cheapest Tesla I could buy right now is a 2019, 21k miles Model 3 priced at around 74,327 USD from some random dude. Meanwhile, I can buy a brand new BYD Seal, with similar specs, at 61,296 USD directly from a dealership.
BYD has a lot of dealership and is opening two factories in the country. So repairs might not be as expensive in the future.
I would much rather have a Tesla, but it does not make much sense financially.
Not in Germany :(
Be curious if they ever come to NA
Why risk a huge loss due to a tariff rise. Better to dominate every market ex-us first.
Beside being cheaper, do they offer same quality or are there se trade-off?
Slower charging and higher inefficient consumption.
At least the Tang is pretty shitty IMO. The infotainment felt like an old android, it makes all kinds of weird noises and the external passenger warning is super loud inside the car. The suspension was pretty bad as well, I just couldn’t appreciate it.
In addition to slow DC charging it doesn’t have three phase charging so you don’t get 11kW and in practice even 7kW is tough.
China subsides BYD while taxing Tesla.
Almost all EVs sold in China are exempt from a vehicle purchase tax, making them more affordable for drivers, which then boosts overall consumer demand and revenue for automakers.
China are illegaly subsidizing this company to undercut competitors. That’s why
US definitely isn’t doing any subsidies to unfairly support domestic brands, right?
General Electric, Boeing, and GM would try to disagree! ;)
Are you talking domestic subsidies or foreign? That’s a big difference. Domestic almost every country does that, taxes ect. Foreign is illegal.
lmao, “illegally”.
read MSM much?
Lmao, do you know any business law at all? Read the investigation Europe has on China regarding this? Dumb fuck
Don’t they only sell in China tho
They actually care about build quality and have proper QA?
Not as good as a western brand, but not bad. The problem is post sales. Everyone I know that has one has tons of problems post sales. Either months to address issues or nowhere to be found. This applies to Lynk & Co also.
It’s Chinese. Pass or until it’s CCP is eradicated.
Paid Tesla for MY, but their service still managed to scare me away… now I’m waiting for a BYD seal.
Reading on tff a lot which service center to avoid… and most around us are on their list. Kinda strange they don’t invest more in sales… perhaps I would have become a lifetime customer
They are winning the race because the sells numbers in china are artificially inflated
I must be imagining all the BYDs I see on the streets here in Shanghai, then.
The biggest problem is Elone. Not only on the mess he made, Tesla only has a part time CEO, and Elon spent most of his time on his pet project X
Corporate espionage, reverse engineer stolen tech, cheap mass labour. It isn’t hard to see why a Chinese company would outperform a western nation.
Sore loser talk. Just accuse your competitors of stealing and cheating
The copying years are long gone, now they pay the same companies everyone does and use that knowledge more efficiently.
They hire western engineering companies exactly the same way as western companies do, but they do it more often. On top of that, they do not negotiate the prices and requirements so much, so it is way easier to work with them in that sense.
It is only logical they learn and get better over time.
I work in automotive engineering services for most of the globe, and the paradigm has shifted. Asia is clearly winning the race.
They’ve out Toyota’d Toyota - good for them.
Nice enough, reasonable price, good range - exactly what most people want in an EV.