If this is true, I hope more ev makers take note of Hyundai/kia having the ability to charge rather quickly at fast chargers. The faster cars can charge, the more likely people will be interested in buying them.
I’ve said it before in other threads but the top two things needed for increased ev adoption are increases in dc fast charging locations(which is sort of being handled with Tesla opening up and nacs adoption) and faster charging speeds.
Still few enough fast chargers that I have to check their availability before I go (and a crucial EA station is completely inoperable right now! Only one in that area, but I can plan around it now that I know). When Tesla opens up, problem solved.
But man, if the Rivian could hold its charging curve better (200kW for longer) consistently, that would be absolutely great. 5 minutes longer doesn’t seem like much, but even browsing the web, if you got a family of six in the car, 5 minutes of dead time feels a lot longer than it actually is.
Rivian is the textbook example where higher voltage makes sense to get around the 500 A of CCS limitation and other such a huge pack
Plus better thermal design since it gets thermal throttled quite easy, their cooling strategy is the same as Lucid, which doesn’t result in the best charging performance C rate wise
I’ve said similar before that real world range in the 250-300 mile ballpark is plenty for me because that’s about the maximum distance I can comfortably drive without stopping anyway. Stopping to plug my car in for the 15 minutes I’d already take to stretch my legs, buy a soda, use the bathroom etc doesn’t add any time to my overall journey.
A battery that can get me more than 250-300 miles on a single charge doesn’t add as much value to me as one that can replenish that 250-300 miles in 15-20 minutes at a rest stop I’d have pulled into on the route I was driving anyway.
Hyundai claims the Ioniq can do 10-80% in 18 minutes at a charger that supports fast enough speeds, so if we can get that tech into every EV and build out the charging network enough that I’m guaranteed to have a charger that can hit that rate where I need it then I’ll be pretty much set as far as battery/range questions are concerned.
That 18 minute claim is 100% real too. It’s an actual game-changer for road trips. I’ve driven two 2000 mile round-trip drives in my EV6 and it barely ended up taking longer in real time than when I did that same trip in an ICE since most of my stops were restroom/food breaks I would’ve already taken in my ICE.
the top two things needed for increased ev adoption are increases in dc fast charging locations(which is sort of being handled with Tesla opening up and nacs adoption) and faster charging speeds.
Strong disagree on charging speed, as 95% of EV charging is done at level 2 chargers. Charging speeds on the level of Teslas and the e-GMP cars are as much as we really need. So I’d put #1 at “more DCFC stations” (to alleviate non-EV owners’ range anxiety) and #2 at “more Level 2 chargers” (to actually serve EV owners’ charging needs).
Make L2 charging ubiquitous throughout places where people leave their cars parked for a while (shopping malls, movie theaters, grocery stores, etc), and heavily incentivize apartment landlords to install them, and EV adoption will be hindered only by how fast carmakers can manufacture them.
If this is true, I hope more ev makers take note of Hyundai/kia having the ability to charge rather quickly at fast chargers. The faster cars can charge, the more likely people will be interested in buying them.
I’ve said it before in other threads but the top two things needed for increased ev adoption are increases in dc fast charging locations(which is sort of being handled with Tesla opening up and nacs adoption) and faster charging speeds.
Yup. I have a Rivian.
Still few enough fast chargers that I have to check their availability before I go (and a crucial EA station is completely inoperable right now! Only one in that area, but I can plan around it now that I know). When Tesla opens up, problem solved.
But man, if the Rivian could hold its charging curve better (200kW for longer) consistently, that would be absolutely great. 5 minutes longer doesn’t seem like much, but even browsing the web, if you got a family of six in the car, 5 minutes of dead time feels a lot longer than it actually is.
Rivian is the textbook example where higher voltage makes sense to get around the 500 A of CCS limitation and other such a huge pack
Plus better thermal design since it gets thermal throttled quite easy, their cooling strategy is the same as Lucid, which doesn’t result in the best charging performance C rate wise
Totally agree with this.
I’ve said similar before that real world range in the 250-300 mile ballpark is plenty for me because that’s about the maximum distance I can comfortably drive without stopping anyway. Stopping to plug my car in for the 15 minutes I’d already take to stretch my legs, buy a soda, use the bathroom etc doesn’t add any time to my overall journey.
A battery that can get me more than 250-300 miles on a single charge doesn’t add as much value to me as one that can replenish that 250-300 miles in 15-20 minutes at a rest stop I’d have pulled into on the route I was driving anyway.
Hyundai claims the Ioniq can do 10-80% in 18 minutes at a charger that supports fast enough speeds, so if we can get that tech into every EV and build out the charging network enough that I’m guaranteed to have a charger that can hit that rate where I need it then I’ll be pretty much set as far as battery/range questions are concerned.
That 18 minute claim is 100% real too. It’s an actual game-changer for road trips. I’ve driven two 2000 mile round-trip drives in my EV6 and it barely ended up taking longer in real time than when I did that same trip in an ICE since most of my stops were restroom/food breaks I would’ve already taken in my ICE.
This is such a great point, and one of the primary reasons we bought an Ioniq 5.
Strong disagree on charging speed, as 95% of EV charging is done at level 2 chargers. Charging speeds on the level of Teslas and the e-GMP cars are as much as we really need. So I’d put #1 at “more DCFC stations” (to alleviate non-EV owners’ range anxiety) and #2 at “more Level 2 chargers” (to actually serve EV owners’ charging needs).
Make L2 charging ubiquitous throughout places where people leave their cars parked for a while (shopping malls, movie theaters, grocery stores, etc), and heavily incentivize apartment landlords to install them, and EV adoption will be hindered only by how fast carmakers can manufacture them.