Umm excuse me. Who the hell do you think you are calling us a third world. That label belongs to shit whole countries didn’t you hear our lord and DT say so about another country. How dare you accuse us of being like THEM.

Okay I can only act like that so much before I start to vomit. All jokes aside we are more in line with a 4th world (even if there is no such thing) instead of a 3rd world. I still can believe this motherfucker got elected TWICE.

Your points and observations are very well taken and I admit yes now I would be like WTF.

Your good man, that’s why we should always keep engaging with conversations and discourse. No apologies needed.

Again you are correct and have change my view on it. Accepting “they may not know” (I honestly wouldn’t put it past people like this to suggest to their entire squad to get ‘this cool skull and bones tattoo’) is a bad position and forgives people for not knowing what they are doing. And I think I read it was freaking months of not years after he was informed and fixed it. If I found out there was a symbol on my body was one of hatred and violence I would find an ink shops that very day.

I had seen it and found the skit very entertaining. However I honestly thought it was just a made up symbols akin to pirates for that skit and only recalled the skull but not the bones. (Doesn’t help that I only remembered the ‘they have skells on them’)

Not trying to be combative with this point because I think it goes with location and personal history. I know you have much more knowledge about this stuff based on how you speak about it. For me it was not a know symbol and not in the top 5. Swastika, SS, war eagle, Astra pistols (my grandfather took one off a soldier in WW2 and had it in his box, to me that was a symbol), then the black sun. Just trying to point out that other symbols were the major ones for me due to the effect they had on my upbringing.

Thanks for keeping people focused on real issues, and continuing to engage in conversations about pitfalls we can fall into by ignoring things.

I think you’re missing my point. And YES, I just told you it wasn’t part of my history lessons. Are you based in the U.S.? If so, eastern, western, north, south, midwest? They all have different types of history being taught in school. For example, in the southeast there was a much bigger unit on trail of tears than in the Midwest. Also I bet if I asked you the name of the fertility statue from the Paleolithic you wouldn’t know it because it wasn’t part of your history lessons. Clearly that version of the totenkopf image was part of your history lessons or part of your history.

If you asked me what skull a bones together mean I would have said pirates and I would have been right because that’s the version of totenkopf I know. As I have now done a quick read on Wikipedia I must disagree with you about it be one of the most recognized symbols. How can it be one of the more recognized symbols if the main use was in concentration camps. They weren’t flying it all over or even putting it on all the uniforms. So yes, please accept that many people don’t know it.

Also no I didn’t say “ohh no this guy is totally not a nazi” but by all means put words in people’s mouth and ignore what they’re saying as it seems you do constantly. What I’m saying is most people I know, don’t know that symbol and thus can readily believe he didn’t know either. Thus the issue with pointing to it and saying “see this guys a nazi” is history lessons. If you’re going to point to shit, point to his words and comments not a tattoo.

Am I going to go dive into this guys Reddit history and learn about him, no. I will not be voting for him and I won’t be voting for his opponent. Not my area and thus I don’t need to go learn all the shit about him.

I fully admit I am not the smartest or best student of history. However I recall no lessons un symbolism in any history class other than ancient Egypt and Neolithic era or late Stone Age.

Make not mistake I am not supporting any hatred other than towards Nazis. However when I first saw the image I honestly thought it was from Warhammer or something.

The issue with this kind of stuff is history. As a 40 you’re old American, whose grandfather served in World War II, I had no idea what that tattoo meant before this whole scandal.

The only symbolism we ever went over in school was the flag and swastika. I believe they thought dumb kids would mimic the iconography to look edgy.

Clearly you have never ordered godfathers pizza from the Midwest and asked for extra cheese.

Right?!

They should post stupid stuff online for fun instead! That makes a real difference!

My most recent switch for my desktop was Fedora. Super simple to install steam and most games I have tried so far work. Happy to try other flavors as well because they all have cool features worth exploring. Happy to try anything new. Suggest you all do the same just like Winnie suggests.

Okay… hear me out. I am not trying to play devils advocate here but I would like to point out some things regarding the backlash and ask some questions since I may be out of the loop.

From all that I have read it’s about no more discs.

People are talking about moving to Xbox or PC. Full disclosure I do Xbox because my big group does but I also play PC games. I did get a PS3 when Xbox did their dumb shit.

Xbox still has a disc drive but most of the time it’s all online. Including all updates.

PC still/can have a disc drive but most people including myself use Steam. Or ya know EA, Unreal, GOG. These are still digital downloads. With the exception of GOG (based on the last purchase I made) there is still a drm requirement and checking in. How is this any different?

Ahh totally a fair point. Missed the message about “as a kid”

Keanu Reeves

I hate no Outlook. Half the time when your drag n drop it fails to save.

Edit - clearly I mean new outlook. I would love no outlook.

And even if it truly isn’t for measuring a perfect shot for making a cocktail, it STILL IS a perfect equal measure if you want to hand out shots to a group of people. May not be a full shot but no one gets less or more than others.

Instant recognition as well. I remember the owner eventually swatting the thing out of the house. Or was that Tom?

Better in terms of using less resources would be great.

Then you are a fool. Managers in these places make about $5 an hour more but do not get tips. Meaning they make less in general and are doing the job of two. Clearly you don’t understand anything about the situation. Stop making an argument you know nothing about because you didn’t even know the rules about minimum wage here.

Midwest. - I should note I am from the Midwest as well. Self deprivation is all good. Trolling people and saying “No culture” doesn’t help. Just creates animosity.

So you admit they do have to pay minimum wage? (Clearly a foolish way to make a point)

Take what is said and don’t change the message. Doing that weakens your argument.

To your point yes and no. It does NOT subsidize MANAGMENT, if puts money in the pockets of the owner. Clearly you are a fool because you make a point and ignore the specific example that helps your argument. “They don’t like it because they have to then pay the minimum wage.”

You clearly ignore everything I have said and missed the message. It does not benefit management. It benefits the owner.

Actually no, in most places management DOESNT like it when that happens. If the worker doesn’t get enough tips to make minimum wage they have to pay them that wage.

Put it this way, if they have only had to pay a worker $20 a night for so long it’s almost part of their budget. If all of a sudden they have to pay double or even triple that (or more depending on the state) they they have to cough up way more money than they want and that eats into their pockets.

Don’t get me wrong it sucks for the service worker. Now they are making 1/3 or what they usually do or worse. But it’s not a performance review and the boss isn’t happy about it.

The tipping culture is stupid here and it needs to end, but I would hate to do it on the backs of hard-working people.

I’ll give both a shot this weekend and report back!