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Said watching people slowly turn on Odegaard.
Usual knee jerk shit.
He’s had a poor start to the season by the high standards he set last year but the sudden switch up is really sad to see.
With Maddison starting the season on fire, I feel like most of these people are the ones who passionately wanted him over Odegaard when we made his loan move permanent.
Will be interesting to see what these same people say when Spurs’ poor underlying metrics catch up to them and when Maddison gets his inevitable 2-3 month injury.
This is why I wanted both of them.
We have just as poor underlying metrics at Tottenham, relative to our positions. Both outperfoming xPTs by ~4.9
That is one formula.
If you look at expected goals for vs against, Spurs are midtable whilst us, City and Newcastle are clear of the rest.
This is basically what xPTs calculate off
Not quite. There’s different variables.
Criticism is fine but some takes I see are so wild, people are acting like he cant function at RCM, hold Saka back, have no long time future here and need to be stripped off the armband ffs. He is going thru a rough spell but why r some ppl acting like he gonna be a suck at a role he perform well for two years now? And act like others can step up in that role and gonna be better in the future despite no evidence showing so
Does criticism = turning on a player?
Our fans always go well beyond fair criticism
Too many people on here just desperate to hate our players. It’s just another symptom of how the oil money has killed football.
You can’t appreciate players now, you have to want to replace them with someone else at all times.
It feels like a very American attitude as well, where every player is expected to be traded away or improved upon with a new draft pick. Players are just replaceable names and numbers.
Yeah, if the English media has taught me one thing it’s that the British are calm and don’t live to turn their heroes into villains. The old stiff upper lip anat.
No I meant more to do with sport than culture in general. Players are eminently replaceable in us sports. At Professional levels basically all sport is predicated on maximising value out of players contracts. Even to the extent that good players are allowed to walk or traded because their contract is expiring and you can get someone cheaper.
Even in college sports which I’ve always thought of as being most akin to football in terms of how fans interact with it, the players are there for 3-5 years maximum.
Let’s not get too attached to any player because none of them will be here in two years time just shouldn’t be a thing in the premier league.
All the Toney and Neto shouts when the season just started. The way people talk about transfers is perverse they’re obsessed with it.
It’s just the whole internet thing. They don’t actually enjoy watching games, but theyve convinced themselves they want to be football fans and talking about transfers on the internet is the only bit they actually enjoy.
Shiny new toy syndrome
Unfortunately, this precedent was set eons ago by man like Ferguson and more recently Pep. You could be a club legend and a fan favourite but if he felt you had outgrown your usefulness, you were out, no matter how big or popular you were. Pep’s hitrate in recent times has been even more alarmingly accurate, Aguero, Cancelo, Sterling, Jesus, all of these man contributed heavily but were binned off the moment he saw an upgrade. It’s cold, brutal even but it’s one of many ways he’s managed to keep them where they are.
Of course it helps when the money you can spend is basically limitless so you can keep rolling the dice, keep signing expensive players until something sticks well enough but all that means to a club like ours where money is a limiting factor is that we need to try to be even more crafty with our transfers and probably even more ruthless to get every upgrade wherever can.
He’s clearly burnt out, started practically every match for us and norway…
the sakaitis.
He’s not really burnt out at all, he works until the final whistle consistently with no issues
On the ball he’s just in a bad patch. Not sure if it’s coach instructions or just bad decision making but he takes stupid shots way too often when there’s little reason. Either he fell in love with goals or its instruction, but he needs to just get the balance back. We still talk about Partey’s stupid shot against Southampton but odegaard has been making that decision quite often too with nobody mentioning it. Its ok to criticize that
He plays best when he has other passers/playmakers in the team. He’s suffered from losing Xhaka and Partey being injured all the time.
Leads the press to often too. He legit presses more then our wingers and still plays full 90s
I’ve been thinking for a while that he might need more rest.
Criticism is fine but some takes I see are so wild, people are acting like he cant function at RCM, hold Saka back, have no long time future here and need to be stripped off the armband ffs. He is going thru a rough spell but why r some ppl acting like he gonna be a suck at a role he perform well for two years now? And act like others can step up in that role and gonna be better in the future despite no evidence showing so