“Probably” is the biggest insult you could give to Toney. He’s better in quite literally every aspect of his game compared to Eddie.
Those using stats to argue this are failing to understand Eddie is playing in one of the best teams in the world and not a club that is vastly over performing.
Stick Toney in this team and he scores 20 a season, no doubt about it.
Nah not buying it Toney is leagues ahead of Nketia. We need a consistent goap scorer. Nketia never has been that. Though he hasn’t had a consistent long run of games.
He really is
thank goodness we let balogun go so that we can look to buy another striker in January…
I really don’t want Toney, he isn’t at the level and will prevent us from getting someone who is
Stats this stats that, in the end the eye test doesn’t lie.
I just wanna know where people get this idea from that Toney is a “killer finisher” despite him never really doing better than his xG and his total goal count is inflated massively by pens
He had a good season last year, that’s about it
And if he’s scoring all his pens and has an even xG to goals ratio then he’s actually underperforming
But personally I think he offers a lot in build up and can bully cbs and midfielders. Hold up play is solid and we’ve seen how raya can pick him out
If he improves the team overall I don’t care if he gets zero goals, as long as his impact amounts to the overall success of the team (compared to being with someone else) then that’s fine with me
This is BS, Toney us what nketiah is dreaming to become, lol
I watched the scouting video Arsenal Vision did on their Patreon yesterday evening.
Flip it was a very hard video to analyse. So so many clips of him being given a long pass from deep and him either holding it up well or him being fouled. Very difficult to analyse.
I do see him as an upgrade on Eddie ofc but is it worth a £60m+ fee just to upgrade on Eddie? I can’t see it.
I’d rather just buy Neto for that money. He looked a lot more exciting on that scouting video
This is the thing, it’s just so hard to predict how he would perform in our system
Yup, Neto is the one.
And it helps us potentially save money for a good striker when more of them are available (praying Sesko kicks on!)
I love Neto but isn’t he more of a winger? Looks like he plays both sides well, would be like another Trossard no?
Having Neto means we can rest Saka without needing to play one of our strikers out wide. Likewise if - and when - one of Saka and Martinelli go down with a knock, we can play him and free up someone like Trossard for tactical flexibility.
Exactly - plus our main threat is our wide players
Agree with all of this. Clearly an upgrade on Eddie but not worth the mental fee that Brentford will ask
Been saying this for a while. I certainly don’t want another Giroud who’s numbers are boosted by pens
Giroud can play in goal though
One thing I’m not seeing many people talk about is if you replace Eddie with Toney then you effectively get Saka cover in Jesus, who is actually very good on that right hand side. Assuming we start playing Toney as our main cf of course.
If it’s one or the other, a winger of course makes more sense but this opinion that Neto is a better buy than Toney on ability alone, is ridiculous.
Flip
Neto would be more expensive and he wouldn’t even start regularly
The people willing to click on a post and throw out their opinions while not engaging with the actual substance of the post are amusing.
Scott: “well i looked at the data and they seem pretty similar, though i suspect toney shades it.”
Redditors: “well who cares about the data, i have prior opinions and ‘graphs’ are complicated.”
The short answer is yes.
The long answer is yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
I’m certain Eddie has had more than enough chances to cement a place, and consistently isn’t quite up to the level required. So yes, Toney is the better option at the very least. And if he doesn’t work out, then he can be sold as well.
I’ve never believed we were seriously interested in Toney. It’s always felt like all the smoke has come from the player’s camp, so I find it funny there’s been constant talk about it.
I don’t think it will really matter whether Toney’s better than Eddie. It’s not the right comparison, in my opinion. For the money, we should be asking if he’s better than Jesus–or if he is on the cusp of being better.
We’ve spent a lot of money recently, and we’ve needed to, but we’re Arsenal not Manchester United or Man City or Chelsea. I can’t imagine we’re spending Toney money on a 28yo striker in the summer, much less in the January window.
we’re Arsenal? we should spend the money on quality if it’s needed
We bought wright and Auba at 28 and we do either deal 100 times out of 100 over again. Toney will age 100x better than Auba due to playstyle and having way less miles on his body than his counterparts, similar to wrighty who we had absolutely no issue with longevity wise
Whether it’s the right player and other factors, those actually play into it, not acting like 28 is ancient (which he hasn’t even turned yet)
We bought Wright back in the day when age curves weren’t as prevalent.
Look at how much Auba regressed after that new contract all to go on a free. Money flushed down the drain after that deal. He was worth the initial investment before that though
Yes, we are the Arsenal. And Toney is no Auba.
We also shifted Giroud, Coquelin, Theo and Alexis that window to do it.
I agree that Toney is not Auba but that doesn’t answer the common crap everyone talks about him being too old
I can’t speak for others, but I don’t think it’s that he’s simply too old, period. It’s the the money Brentford will want for him combined with the fact people see him as a back up/Eddie replacement/plan B signing on top of his age. It seems like a bad use of the money.
None of us can name a striker anywhere near his value for money in this market
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on likelihood and wisdom of Arsenal signing Toney. I’m fine with that.
He’s a different profile.
Same way Rice is a different type of 6, and not head and shoulders above Partey
Yes, he’s a different profile. I don’t think we plan to sign a “plan B” CF for Toney money. I also don’t think Arteta wants to change the way we play to start Toney over Jesus. (He’s already signed someone who can change our physical profile in the box for particular situations when we might need it: Havertz.)
It’s hard for me to see Toney as competition for Jesus–which is what you’d want–but it’s comparison I think people should be making.
Is he a different profile? He’s a center forward whose game is based around holdup play, physicality, and defensive intensity, and his record from open play suggests he is not a particularly good finisher when the ball falls to him in the box.
Sounds like he’s a pretty similar profile, which explains why we would be interested but not at £70 million.
He is a completely different profile despite having a hold up skill set lol, you’re confusing skills and profile
Please enlighten me on how he is a different profile then, since it doesn’t sound like he provides much different from what we already have other than being a bit bigger
Toney is a bum. Man’s sitting on his arse because he can’t follow the golden rule.
Is Eddie the best #9 in the world? Not a chance. Has he proven multiple times now that he is a more than serviceable backup, who doesn’t rock the boat when he returns to the bench and clearly has the right attitude and mindset to fulfil his role in the squad? Absolutely.
Stop. Slandering. The. Prince.
If we can get him for 60 mil, def worth it. He is probably slightly above Eddie, and while Eddie would do well in all the bottom half sides, he isn’t good enough for a title challenge and too similar to Toney’s style anyway