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  • beetletoman@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    You know I feel his case should always have the long term injury in context. He was away for a very long time and the same time the project went bang- that’s gotta take same time. I’d argue both himself and the staff should give him e longer than they’d give any other player. He’s shown enough to make it a worthwhile gamble. Vieira missed the preseason and took a year to start performing consistently and at the level required from him, for reference

    • phar0aht@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      How long are we gonna use that excuse? He returned from Injury in Like January 2023. Until he plays matches more hes gonna struggle to get match sharpness.

      EDIT - in fact, transfermarkt says he was available from the end of November.nsondn near an entire year he’d been back now.

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        11 months ago

        Idk if there’s a better way to get him game time than what Arteta is doing atm. He’s subbed in in most games (City and one of the recent games being an obvious exception) and starting cup games. Maybe securing CL knockouts or seeing out games early will do him good. I personally don’t count the end of last season for obvious reasons

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          11 months ago

          No disrespect but it’s not your career. ESR probably does count the end of last season and is dying to be involved more.

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            11 months ago

            The minute you see an academic step with authority off the plank of their expertise-- get the popcorn.

            It’s got relatively little to do with smart, and more to do with intellectual humility as a kind of situational awareness: supposed to beaten into everyone at the undergraduate level, or at least by a graduate supervisor, but occasionally forgotten by those who get positions and a little taste of fame.

            Chomsky the linguist was a major contributor; Chomsky the political commentator has all the intellectual rigour of rice pudding.

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        11 months ago

        Let’s be real here, it’s by no means a symmetrical relationship. The smart thing to do for yourself and your career in a western nation would be to say that you stand with Israel. That’s just the reality. You can get fired, doxxed, and called a supporter of terrorism for expressing support for the Palestinian people, or even suggesting the the continued Israeli occupation is the root cause of the violence and deaths on both sides.

        I won’t say much more b/c I don’t know how political I can get w/o getting banned.

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          11 months ago

          This is absolute rubbish. There are loads of celebrities who publicly support the Palestinian cause. What are you on about?

          Just look at Arsenal. Zinny was forced to take down his post due to backlash while Elneny was not.

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            11 months ago

            There are literal doxxing sites dedicated to getting Palestinian activists fired from their jobs. Just this week CEOs are compiling lists of people who support the Palestinians.

            If I had to guess, I’d say Arsenal’s large international fanbase is the reason why Zinchenko had to take his post down. If the club only had English fans, I don’t think that would be the case. So yes there’s pressure on both sides but it’s especially biased towards the Israelis in most western institutions.

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              11 months ago

              Some CEOs may have asked. Meanwhile, a lot of people have signed the Harvard letter supporting the Palestinians (I assume you’re referring to that).

              The only reason it isn’t clear-cut pro-Palestinian bias this time around is because of the absolute barbarity and horror that the Palestinian Hamas committed.

              • MastofBeight@alien.topB
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                11 months ago

                Listen, I lived in the UK when I was a child for about 5 years but I’ve spent most of my life in the US, so I’m not going to pretend like I know too much about the political environment there other than what I’ve seen from the internet.

                But if the pro-Israel lobby in the UK is as aggressive it is in the US (and believe me it’s aggressive), then there isn’t really an equivalence. Yeah radical student activists and academics tend to support Palestine. Meanwhile the both leaders of the democrats, republicans, labour, and tories are staunch supporters of Israel. There are 2 laws on the books in the US that criminalize BDS, a nonviolent movement.

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      11 months ago

      Vieira performing is by itself a good reason to cut ESR loose… it will be difficult if not impossible to find playing time for both. Eventually we need to choose one of them and cut the other one.

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        11 months ago

        I see Vieira-ESR or Trossard-ESR as the alternative to Ødegaard-Havertz or Ødegaard-Rice midfields. Between Vieira and ESR one of them has to replicate some of Xhaka/Havertz role and imo it’s likely expected from ESR. Especially if Rice is on the pitch who likes the left half space. Though imagine our two “g/a merchants” playing in a comparatively low stakes/“easier” game, maximum entertainment but not exactly Arteta so i get why you say that