• Bombastion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      10 months ago

      I agree that most anti-GMO stances are silly, but Cavendish bananas aren’t GMO. (The history of major banana cultivars is super interesting, though!)

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        10 months ago

        but Cavendish bananas aren’t GMO

        They are. We took something barely edible in nature and bred it to the point where it’s a tasty treat. It’s a perfect example of GMO.

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        10 months ago

        Almost all food crops are GMO through the practice of selective breeding. Bananas have been altered to be sterile, seedless, and have larger edible fruit.

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          It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what genetic engineering means.

          Selective breeding is selecting two banana plants that have characteristics you want, moving pollen (or however it is that bananas reproduce) from one plant to another, and growing, and selecting the “best” plants from the offspring, to get the banana plants with the characteristics that you want.

          Genetic modification is snipping part of the genetic material from an eggplant and inserting them into a banana seed(?)'s genes.

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            5 months ago

            Yes?

            Selective breeding to get plants with different characteristics inherently involves modifying the genes of the plant. Genes that lead to unwanted traits are bred out, and genes that lead to desirable traits are promoted.

            A plant that undergoes this process has been genetically modified from its wild, undomesticated counterpart. It is a GMO (in its broadest definition).

            Bananas are actually a really interesting plant and I recommend reading about the work being done even today to breed new disease resistant varieties, mostly involving mutation breeding (selective breeding with radiation to speed things along).

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          10 months ago

          Selective breeding isnt GMO tho. Gmo is modifying genetics directly. Selective breeding is manipulativing the natural processes and hoping the offspring carried the desired genes. Its like saying placing bets on a roulette table is investing.

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            10 months ago

            I mean, the line between gambling and investing is a lot thinner than most people would like to believe.

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            10 months ago

            Actually I’d say that investing is gambling, and selective breeding is a form of genetic engineering.

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              Investing isnt gambling because if you had all the knowledge of the world, you could guarantee to “win” every single time. Its practically just predicting the future. While gambling, is pretty much a random event, some games may allow for some prediction (such as card counting), but casinos ussually thwart that by constantly introducing more randomness.

              Thats the same analogous for selective breeding. You have some idea what could happen, because at the very least you know the offspring will a random selection of genes from their parents, but you can never predict which genes. But in genetic engineering, you know exactly what genes you’re targeting, and how and where those genes will be expressed.

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                10 months ago

                Except perfect knowledge of the world isn’t possible and there is sufficient complexity in the systems that lead to stock value changing to make it effectively random luck whether any particular investment will pay off (you’ve invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).

                Selective breeding doesn’t care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don’t give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted. The fact that you aren’t targeting specific genes doesn’t matter.

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                  you’ve invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).

                  Except youre also a big executive at your company and you tell all your peasants workers to go back to the office. And you collaborate with your rich friends to do the same and rake in all the cash.

                  But that doesnt change anything. Any amount of knowledge gives your a advantage because it reduces risk. A roulette table has the same amount of risk everytime because the previous spins has zero effect of the future.

                  Selective breeding doesn’t care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don’t give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted.

                  Right… but it took humans ~5000 years to breed corn. Perhaps millions if not billions of iterations. And it was all random chance that the offsprings resulted with desirablity traits. There is a reason farmers dont grow apple trees by seed anymore. Noone can guarantee the offspring will produce quality apples, and it takes a decade to produce apples.

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                Perfect knowledge still doesn’t fix insolvency, fraud, or outright irrational actors. Tell me you haven’t ever touched the stock market without telling me you have never touched the stock market.

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            10 months ago

            Selective breeding isnt GMO tho

            It absolutely is.

            The definition of a genetically modified organism (GMO) is not clear and varies widely between countries, international bodies, and other communities. At its broadest, the definition of a GMO can include anything that has had its genes altered, including by nature. Taking a less broad view, it can encompass every organism that has had its genes altered by humans, which would include all crops and livestock

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      10 months ago

      My ex’s Mom is a vegetarian (who also doesn’t believe in using GMOs or a microwave) and her Dad has celiac and legitimately can’t do gluten.

      I hate trying to cook for them, and I REALLY hate it when they cook for me. Her Dad made these “dessert” balls that are made from flax seed and sadness the first time we met and I pretended to like them to be polite. Now he always makes me a bunch of them and I have to choke them down with a smile. I’ll bee seeing them Friday and know I get to look forward to chomping on birdseed.

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        Then you have people from the opposite end of the spectrum. One time I received “protein cookies” from a friend and it was just baked chocolate whey protein powder 🤣. You’d expect something like that to work okay-ish, but it was a very, very sad cookie with way too much sweetener.

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          I don’t know how to cook for shit (I once set pasta on fire) but I feel like even my dumbass could figure out how to make that work. Motherfucker needs to refine their recipe.

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            🤣. Htf does pasta even catch fire? There’s usually moisture at all times.

            Well I will say that the cookies were safe to eat at least. I think they are in the process of making it work atm.

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              I managed to boil the water down a tad bit too much cause they weren’t softening, some of them were stuck to the side of the pot and caught fire. From there it was a simple matter of energy burnoff.