As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
It is the gulf of mexico. The whole thing is just president musk and vp trump power tripping. Also a distraction from other, much worse thjngs happening right now.
Such a weird thing for everyone to fixate on and lose their shit. Let our dumbass en-US selves do whatever “official” dumbass thing we have to with the name.
Everyone else can leave it what it always was.
Next time there’s a Democrat U.S. President, the “en-US” term will be changed back to Gulf of Mexico.
This is stupid.
It’s true and it’s such a distraction. There is so much worse shit going on right now in the US government. I’m tired of not calling it a coup. It’s a coup. They’re trying to act like the judicial branch doesn’t get to determine what is and isn’t constitutional. So much shit.
As bad and as cringe as it is for the “Gulf of America” debacle to happen, it’s just genuinely not worth the headspace right now.
You’re right. It’s part of a propaganda strategy to trick US media to “discuss” trivial things like this instead of focusing on the real harm the administration is doing.
@zlatiah Best comment in this thread: " Can we retag Trump’s golf courses as Golf of Mexico? " 🤣
It’s calles the Gulf of Mexico, people should stop using different names in different languages and use the actual name.
Like The Netherlands is called The Netherlands and two of it’s provinces are called Holland
it’s a tricky question, arguably there are more people on this planet that call countries by their Mandarin name, followed by their Spanish name, followed by their English name, than the name in the native language.
De Guo > Alemania > Germany > Deutschland for example
Why is this even being discussed?
Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?
The name itself can’t really change in OSM because it’s based on what someone “on the ground” would see, i.e. street signs, etc.
Previous OSM naming conflicts have usually been areas of disputed land where some group de-facto controls the land and therefore the street signs, and therefore the OSM ‘name’ and ‘name:en’ tags.
That’s not going to work very well for a region of mostly international waters with several countries putting up their own signs to it.
One way a global index can respect local authority would be for the index to acknowledge that within that territory, there is an official name for things.
They can also be pragmatic and acknowledge a common local name, the global consensus name, etc.
In many ways, it’s just a further fragmentation like language.
Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there’s the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People’s Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.
Looking at it this way, I’d call the “mainland” part West Taiwan
Nah West Taiwan is the western half of Taiwan. It’s an island, not a state, just as Denmark is not Jutland, or Spain, or Portugal (fight!) Iberia.
Are you taking about Formosa or the Republic of China?
I’m going to be looking for ways to make the name even more Mexican now. Maybe just perfect my Spanish at least for that one phrase. Gwalfo de Meh-hee-co
Hey. Your all blinded by this nothing and elon is getting contracts of money he dismantled from government. Congrats americans. Hope another cou try can put us in our place.
Current U.S. leadership: Our billionaires are gonna be bigger than all the other billionaires in the world put together. (I honestly believe there’s an insecurity motive there: if US billionaires don’t amass significantly more wealth, they won’t be competitive in the billionaire world against outside billionaires.)
U.S. Democracy: If one dollar = one vote, I guess we should save all that money we have been wasting on elections.
The real reason for the surge in prosperity of the middle and lower classes after WWII: decimation of the ultra-wealthy throughout the developed world. Remember: the post WWII US income tax on the wealthy was 91% - literal decimation, for those who paid.
https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates
(I honestly believe there’s an insecurity motive there
Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.
I could see myself wanting to own multiple private islands, getting Larry Ellison to sell me Lanai is going to take a lot of money.
They also returned from the war to a much stronger welfare system.
Oh, hell yeah. My parents got 4 and 6 year college degrees based off the income of a teacher, hairdresser, mechanic, and night watchman. 100% debt free. Then their parents, who had $0 to their name at the start of WWII, helped my parents again by buying them a starter house. My parents were both school teachers, on that salary they built a new house in a golf course subdivision, new cars every couple of years including a brand new 6 cylinder BMW… Then the 80s came.
thank you, enlightened one… we are all forgetting every other crazy thing they’re doing and focusing exclusively on map apps….
we’re all so blind, thank you for helping us see!What specifically do you think that OSM maintainers should be doing to stop this instead of maintaining OSM?
Also coup has a p.
no doubt it’s all been squirrelled away into crypto. They’ll have fun trying to hold the guy accountable. Oh wait, no, accountability is for the poors.
Anyway, enjoy the sound of the keys jingling, folksIt’s possible to know about this while also knowing that extreme fuckery is occurring. But its not like your average Lemmy user can do anything to stop either.
For the next four years I also propose renaming en_us to an-us.
derp_us
Aragonese?
As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.
Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won’t change this.
Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn’t get to declare the name of a region of international waters.
This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It’s not a good look.
Its just a distraction meant to throw people off the smell of the real crimes they are committing. Call it the gulf of dogshit i dont care
it was never “the ukraine”, russia just called it that because the ukraine was a region to them… like the great plains is to america…
Russian doesn’t even have definite articles, to them it was always just Ukraine.
Judging from this very polemic article by linguistic anthropologist Kathryn E. Graber, the argument is that a linguistic distinction that exists in Russian (and Ukrainian) is mirrorred in other languages using the definite article. ‘Na Ukraine’ on the one hand literally means ‘on Ukraine’, ‘v Ukraine’ on the other ‘in Ukraine’. Graber goes on to say that ‘In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state.’ She would then probably also argue that the same, in English, goes for names like ‘the Congo’, being named after a river. The claim that this is a Soviet-era practice (if what she means by that is that it arose during the Soviet Union), is simply not true, though. In Google Books you can find plenty of titles with ‘the Ukraine’ from before 1900. The earliest mention I found in English (though I didn’t look very well) was from 1672.
It anyway strikes me as very performative. You can well argue that language influences the way we view the world (though, I think the way we view the world influences the language we use much more). Even so, there are obviously much bigger (concrete) threats to Ukrainian sovereignty than (to Ukrainians) foreigners using a definite article or not. Thus, it becomes less a matter of protecting sovereignty, and more a matter of simple respect to Ukrainian sensibilities. Ukrainians may take offence at you using the definite article, and you may want to prevent that by not saying ‘the Ukraine’.
As an American, I will refuse to call it fuckass gulf of america.
I dunno. That could be kinda snappy on a map. “Ok, let’s see, here we have the North Atlantic, the Sargasso Sea, and the Fuckass Gulf of America.”
… what’s a fuckass?
I got your Donnie Darko reference.
It’s just slang. I searched it on Startpage and it gives the definition : “used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience” which sounds right to me. I’d link it but I can’t find where it sourced the definition.
Coming from lemmynsfw I would have figured you might know? Let me know if you learn anything in your research
It’s a Donnie Darko reference. I’m surprised anyone cares who comes from what instance.
Nah, I don’t care who comes from what instance but when it comes to anal references, I figured I’d make a bad joke, haha
I’m voting for Dukakis
Reference comments should stay on reddit.
Only if they detract from a discussion of substance.
Search for ‘anal’ in your Lemmy instance
Mmm mmm…
Since Trump is slang for fart in UK, I propose it be re-renamed to Guff of America in his honour. I bet he wouldn’t even notice.
Apparently the family name moving to America was “Trumpf”, so that fits well given its a fart with a little trailing ‘pfff’, likely caused from the subtle loosening of a well used asshole.
Honestly, I think that we the people need to assert our own right to name things more often. I don’t recall the latest name of the Brewers stadium in Milwaukee, for example. Whatever company that paid to have them put its name on the front didn’t pay me. It’s “the new County Stadium” as far as I’m concerned.
(I have no philosophical objection to the name, by the way. Reps of the new company can DM me, we can work out a deal.)
There’s a county cricket ground near me that was named the Hampshire Rose Bowl when it was first opened 25 years ago. In that time it has been renamed a number of times in honour of a selection of insurance companies I’d never heard of before, but to pretty much everyone in the area it’s the Rose Bowl.
So yeah.
Ask any illinoisan what the tallest tower in Chicago is and you won’t hear the name that’s on the building. And good for them
An acquaintance helped close a deal for a stadium naming rights. It had been a multi year process, the negotiations were crazy, the company deliberated forever trying to decide if this was the best way to increase brand recognition and man that shits expensive.
So like a shit head that thinks he’s funny I started calling the stadium by its sponsor like 3 sponsors ago when I was around them. You could see the anxiety spike when I did it.
Your comment made me think of that. It’s hilarious. They would have had a fucking breakdown if they had heard someone say that out loud.
Frankly I agree. From my personal experience, every single native Chicagoan has been calling that particular building “Sears Tower”. Even though the name has been officially changed for more than 15 years by this point…
And I thin OSM actually handled this quite well! The original Sears Tower name is still available as an “alt_name” tag on OSM as well, I just double-checked and yep it’s still searchable on the map
How is it the “official name” even for en-US? Trump isn’t the be all and end all of naming things. Every single rational, thinking person in the USA, and many, many people who aren’t so rational (Trump voters), still call it the Gulf of Mexico and always will. Official, my ass.
The early proposal of alt-name: en-US=Gulf of America seemed the most logical.
Holy hell, I hate this cursed timeline.
Because the United States Board on Geographic Names now says so, as demanded by Trump by Order No. 3423. They are the government body that defines what places are officially called.
But unless you are a US federal employee, as Nick Fury once said, “I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.”
To reiterate, GNIS and GNS are only relevant to an appropriately qualified official_name tag, not a name tag, because of the on the ground rule. For this kind of feature, common sense would place a lot of weight on overall common usage, since sending someone to survey the facts “on the ground” would be… difficult.
Yeah that certainly seems difficult
Literally no one ever called it “Gulf of America” until January. I appreciate the generally thoughtful conversation on OSM, but there’s no reason that declaration should be taken seriously.
The maintainers were doing a good job reverting contributions for a while. Here’s a good example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/16
They follow names assigned by https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/, and use the labels like
en_USfor official single-country names. While I would much prefer it remain analt_name, I understand their rational. Ugh.Yeah I feel like there needs to be a huge asterisk by name declarations that, while formal/official in the barest sense, are blatantly arbitrary.
As an american. I want the option to display it as Gulf of Mexico. Like it’s always been before that fat sack of shit was trying to win points wit hracists to distract them from the hand reaching up their ass to fuck them.
They could add a snowflake option that when activated makes it display as Gulf of America.
A checkbox labelled “Triggered” on the phone.
As an American and long time OSM contributor, I also vote extremely no on Gulf of America.
Also no on renaming New Mexico.
Wait there’s talk of renaming New Mexico‽
after some digging
Oh thank god it was just a joke
Next month:
- Texas -> Roof Tiles
- El Paso -> The Pass
- The Alamo -> The Poplar
- Santa Fe -> Holy Faith
- Nevada -> Snowed
- Colorado -> Red
- Palo Alto -> High Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
- Los Angeles -> The Angels
- …
Paper companies would make a killing profit this period.
Baton Rouge -> Red Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
How about you rename deez (wal)nutz
Sorry, had to
Oh thank god it was just a joke
for now
I’m hoping that my comment doesn’t age like milk
New Mexico? You mean “South America”, right?
(Everything south of the Rio Grande is now “Mexico”. Except for the
PanamaAmerica canal.)But you couldn’t tell, could you. 😂 I’m keeping this joke alive as long as I can, until Trump gets wind of it and actually does it.
“Petition to rename New Mexico to Freexico, and Mexico to Cartelistan”
So now that is in the hands of the folks who use the OSM data. It’s in a somewhat exotic tag, so by default any map that uses OSM will still show Gulf of Mexico, unless they actively intervene to show Gulf of America. So if you see an OSM based map showing the latter, you know they made that choice consciously.
As an American I have to second this. Please don’t fall in line to lick trump’s boot
