For instance, let’s say there’s a troll who is infamous online to the point multiple people are chronicling the troll’s numerous antics.
The troll in question lies about everything about themselves. Their name is an alias, they admitted to using an AI generated voice while trying to get away with passing it off as their own. They steal women’s selfies to pretend to be another person. This is just a few examples, but this troll has gotten posts exposing them taken down because the posts reveal personal information, but if the personal information is fake to begin with, is that against the rules on most sites?
Edit: assuming all the info came from the troll’s posts, that is publicly available.
What “rules?” There are no universal rules across the Fediverse, it’s an open protocol. There are no universal laws, it’s spread across multiple jurisdictions.
If you want a platform where there is One True Ruler Over All, that’s the Reddit model.
Man, some of you guys wouldn’t last a second on the internet like 10 years ago (not even that long ago at all). Just block them, ignore it, and/or move on
Yup. Some haven’t had their moms allegedly fucked by someone on the internet, and it shows.
I know right? Block and move on. It’s not the responsibility of the site to keep you from seeing him. Have a little self-esteem and handle it yourself.
Block, ignore, move on
YO WTF
Didn’t know that mod was a nazi sympathizer
This thing never stops
Do you see what I mean now?
Prove them wrong in one place and they start up in another.
tf is going on?
They gaslight and call any proof against them being brought up “slander” and like to portray themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason. They’ve been at this for literal years.
not gonna read all of that, so might ask questions, that are burried there somewhere, bear with me.
why can’t you block asklemmy and this guy and say fuck it?
he seems to be an asshole and what i saw from him got downvoted a lot. so why bother?my granny used to say: “the angrier you get, they become happier”
edit: and please stop puting complete sentenses into links, hard to see how many links there are, sometimes. it’s better to make it one word only. or just post the link in clear text. saves people not only from getting rickrolled.
How do you distinguish between fake personal information and real personal information?
but this troll has gotten posts exposing them taken down because the posts reveal personal information,
Where did the “personal information” come from if not from the troll’s posts? If it was from the troll’s posts, then why would it be taken down if the troll themselves posted it elsewhere? Is it doxing if the person being doxed is the one consenting to posting the personal information themselves?
All the info came from the troll’s posts, that are publicly available. Also this isn’t a normal troll, but a malicious troll who is transphobic, defends Nazis, tells trans and other vulnerable people to kill themselves, steals women’s selfies to catfish people, etc. It’s not “slander” as the troll likes to call it, there’s tons of links and it’s all 100% true.
The troll in the example is highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason, but the links in the description of this video say otherwise. Those links go to comments the troll posted on their own accounts including creepy comments they made towards a boy they knew was only 14. They gaslight, guilt trip, and use other abusive tactics to get away with their malicious trolling.
I’m not reading your links for your specific troll because I just don’t need a troll to take up that much of my attention. However, your question is framed on any troll, so I think your question is valid and am fine discussing that.
All the info came from the troll’s posts, that are publicly available.
When mod/admins were presenting with the evidence that the troll performed self doxing, are you saying the mods/admins were fooled by the troll and took action they thought they were protecting a victim?
The mods/admins were fooled by the troll who took the troll’s manipulation that they’re a victim of slander and doxing.
Okay, so you’re not questioning policy of admins/mods, but pointing out your belief they followed the policy except they acted with bad information from the troll?
If that’s the case, I don’t think you have a pathway unless there is an appeals process. Have you engaged the admins/mods in question to see what evidence (if any) they would need to reconsider their decision?
Depends. Do you like vigilantism? Then go ahead. If not, try reporting it to the moderators first.
But idk what this is about. Is it some teenage drama concerning someone with 20 followers on TikTok? I mean having several accounts and using voice changers and AI isn’t illegal. If they’re stealing pictures or molesting people on Minecraft or Roblox, you might be able to get them banned by reporting them. And if they’re lying here on Lemmy… We also have moderators. I’m not sure if we have tools to detect ban evasion.
vigilantism??? its the internet with a bunch of fake names. dealers choice to me. I agree though its just stupid stuff to me.
Well, there’s a lot of drama, he-said-she-sad, personal attacks. I think the sane approach is let moderators deal with it. And not create a toxic atmosphere by having users target each other and start all sorts of small and big fights. That’s what I meant by that.
I think people wig out about the power of mods. If a mod makes a community suck, which it will with such stuff, then folks with go elsewhere. then folks will complain echo chamber but its like hey man yeah places and who runs them will determing how broad their appeal is.
Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I sometimes can’t differentiate between our drama here, and some 8 year olds. I’m not sure. I’d say things like power abuse, or harassing or attacking other users counts as bad. The Musk example is just them proving to be an idiot. But idiots are allowed here, we have a lot of them… I dunno. Thanks for raising awareness. I don’t think it’s that bad but I’m not reading through it all at this point. So I might be wrong.
Concerning your initial question (and now that I know a bit more detail)… I think it’d still be wrong to doxx them. Like publish their real name. But if they have an alt account, and you see them using that to do bad things… I’d say it’s okay to call them out on that. Mainly since they’re a high profile person here, wield power in one of the largest communities. So they have to abide by higher standards. But you can’t leak their IP address or real name or something for just being a liar, that’s just too much and a different level.
“Exposing” them might be alright. But gather some proper examples of misbehaviour. And make sure to keep reporting misbehaving users to other mods, if possible.
