I’m a life-long Windows user who nowdays has a MacBook as a daily driver and a gaming PC running Linux. I consider myself somewhat tech savvy but holy fuck Linux just makes me want to tear my head off. I just spent 45 minutes trying to install Standard Notes “the right way” and in the end I just gave up and downloaded it from the Ubuntu store instead. Error, you need to add this repository. Error, you need to enable this feature. Error, you need to install this tool first which you can use to install another tool and that tool helps you fix the issue preventing you to solve the first issue etc. I honestly can’t even imagine how you could make this any more difficult.

I guess Linux is like welding; it’s great when someone sets the welder up for you and you just press the trigger and start welding but you’re up for some absolute misery trying to figure that out on your own.

Also, a huge credit to chatGPT. I can just take picture of my terminal window and it gives me step-by-step instructions on how to troubleshoot most issues I’ve had. I’d be at complete loss without it.

  • Solumbran@lemmy.worldEnglish
    123·
    4 days ago

    Windows is an abomination when it comes to plug and play. Errors are part of the normal use of the system and rebooting is actually the most efficient way to solve issues. If that is fine for you then anything is.

    • ContrarianTrail@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      89·
      4 days ago

      With Windows I can just download an app and follow the instructions on the installer and more often than not it works without an issue. Even my grandmom can do that. With Mac it’s even easier.

      • Dark Arc@social.packetloss.ggEnglish
        51·
        4 days ago

        With Linux you just open the software manager and search for it with effectively 0 chance of your grandma downloading a virus.

        The app store model is the Linux model. Linux just doesn’t have paid apps in said stores.

      • Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        The problem in my experience is that those apps are often quite bloated, require you to make an account, then run in the background slurping up telemetry data. (I’m looking at you, HP Smart)

        And then if you run into a situation where the app stops working properly, if a reinstall doesn’t fix it you’re basically out of luck because the error logging and online documentation is functionally non-existent.

      • moonlight@fedia.io
        21·
        4 days ago

        On windows, you have to go to the software’s website, find the download page, click download, run the installer exe, then click through the installation wizard.

        On Linux, you can either install it in one command in the terminal, or install in one click from a gui. You almost certainly have a gui app store preinstalled unless you choose a minimal distro like Arch.

        If you want to update software on Windows, you go through that whole process again. On Linux, you just do a system update.

        I’m not really sure what part of that is easier on Windows

        • ContrarianTrail@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          4·
          3 days ago

          On Linux, you can either install it in one command in the terminal

          If you know what to type into terminal which for the 99% of users means googling for instructions and in the end you’ve spent as much time and effort on it than you would on Windows. Assuming it works out without a hickup. If you put the right string of text in there but it returns an error, missing repository for example, you’re then stuck there with no clue what to do next.

          I think that long time Linux users to who this is second nature underestimate how daunting this is for a novice.

          • moonlight@fedia.io
            11·
            3 days ago

            Or you could use a gui that is probably already on your system, like I said. Maybe Ubuntu just sucks, I don’t have experience with it. But I have used flatpak on SteamOS, which is incredibly easy and smooth.

            But the terminal can be super easy too, it’s not like you’re typing out complicated commands just to install software. I use yay, so it’s literally just ‘yay <software name>’ to search and install.

            Just because you are already used to Windows doesn’t mean it’s simple. It’s actually more convoluted and difficult to learn if someone hasn’t used either.