I, for one, definitely won’t be buying another Tesla as long as Naziboy Musk has anything to do with the company.
If Musk wasn’t with Tesla, I’d consider Tesla an option. And, I’m definitely in the market, my lease runs out in January. But with that idiot, nope. No chance. Doesn’t even have anything to do with Trump support. So I guess he’s right in a way?
It sucks, where is the 2016 Musk. That dude seemed to really want to help the world.
Tesla was in a difficult position, but was really doing good things, SpaceX was just getting off the ground (pun intended), The Boring Company wasn’t a thing yet.
But post 2016, he just seems to get worse and worse, meme coins, weird birther shit…
I used to really want a Tesla, they seemed like a car for me, but now that I am getting close to being able to afford one…well no, I think I’ll probably get a polestar. Musk you went from what I would have called a visionary to a joke then kept sliding into actively dangerous. Shame really.
I mean they’re also really shitty cars. As much as the muskrat as poisoned the image of the company, I think a lot of the loss and sales is due to other competitors having caught up and being higher quality.
Whatever happens next month, I doubt Elon’s decision will age well. Even if Trump wins, I would be shocked if he doesn’t turn on Elon within a year.
This is the key takeaway, imo.
I don’t drive a Tesla because I have never liked Musk. Apart from that imo the only model that is somewhat good looking is the model S but still very overpriced for what you get.
Dude keeps surprising me with his stupid decisions. Can’t imagine the shareholders are happy with his newest pro Trump thing, once again showing he is a huge narcissist.
As a Tesla owner of 7 years, my next car will absolutely not be a Tesla and it is entirely because of Elon Musk.
I appreciate the company spurring competition to enter the market with EVs, but now I hope they crash and burn.
Aren’t they releasing quarterly numbers tommorow? I guess we will see what “all time high” means very soon.
Edit: Earnings release today after market clothes. Earnings call tommorow.
Note, they won’t tell how many teslas they sold, but they will report how much their profit was.
Ai art finally getting some proper use here
Off topic, but…
“AI art” isn’t a thing anymore than “motorsport” is: it’s not sport when you’re not the motor.
Okay fuck ai “art” but why you gotta do motorsport dirty, that shit requires skill, physical fitness, shitloads of practice, and raw talent
Oh, no question. It takes skills to drive a car well - particularly a race car. It probably requires you to be fit too. But you’re not doing the work: the car does.
I choose to draw the line of “sport” at physical performance, because if you start including fine motor skills and intelligence, then you have to include poker-playing, model-making and mathematics and then it becomes ridiculous. And I say that as a semi-professional pool player: whatever I’m doing when I’m shooting pool, it sure ain’t sport, despite my having to train and keep fit.
Similarly, I choose to draw the line of “art” as you doing the art. Asking an AI to come up with a picture, however skillful the prompt, clearly isn’t you making the art.
That’s my take. Feel free to disagree 🙂
F1 drivers need to workout to be able to drive their cars with all the force it exerts on their bodies.
Also, pretty sure you need “fine motor skills and intelligence” in every sport.
The cars aren’t driving themselves.
I think saying “it takes skill” and “probably requires you to be fit” are contradictory to your point. I would also argue that billiards is technically a sport. Golf is technically a sport.
Is art about competition or is it the thing that is made?
They might be high, but they’d be higher if he wasn’t a nutjob
I wouldn’t buy a Tesla going forward (especially when cars like byd are probably better quality). And I literally trust the Chinese government more than Trump
I’m still undecided on an electric car, mostly because modern cars are such privacy nightmares on wheel (not Tesla-specific).
But there’s one thing for sure: whatever car I get eventually won’t be a Tesla, and that’s 100% due to Musk’s misguided political gesticulations.
I’m one example of business lost forever to Tesla. One example doesn’t make a trend, but if there’s one, there are others.
The main reason I won’t buy tesla is Elon.
Secondly I want a “real” car with proper signalling leavers and tactile buttons for everything, in my opinion touch screens is a safety risk.
On the safety issue, I have a personal pet theory that a lot of “sudden acceleration events” in Teslas come from the one pedal system they use for both gas and break.
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
What are you talking about? The brake pedal is still there in EV’s and it still does the same job. I’ve driven an EV for 3 years using OPD and not once have I ever forgotten that the brake exists.
That’s all EVs nowadays.
They all have regen so you barely ever brake in any of them.
Many of them also come to a complete stop without touching the brake as well. That’s not a Tesla only thing.
Edit: Oh also on a Tesla you used to be able to enable “creep” mode so it behaved like an ICE and wouldn’t come to a complete stop. The EPA changed the rules though and made it so you have to advertise the combined or lowest mileage though (can’t recall) of all features, and creep lowers mileage by a few miles due to not 100% regen, so Tesla nix’d the feature to not reduce their EPA range. New cars no longer have the feature, old cars still have it.
I don’t think you understand what one pedal driving means. You absolutely need to use the brakes on a regular basis.
I’ve heard so much shit about Teslas now that even if they sold the company to Bernie Sanders I wouldn’t get one
Most of it is bollocks. The cars are actually fine. Only the moron-in-chief makes me want to sell mine.
Being trapped in a fire? Self igniting batteries? Stuck due to software updates? Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery? Body pieces not secure? Self driving is a lie? Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
Another Tesla owner here (2020 Model 3) who thinks Musk is an absolute tool bag, but the misinformation out there about the cars is just plain silly.
Being trapped in a fire?
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
Self igniting batteries?
There are far, far fewer EV battery fires per year than there are ICE fires, even adjusting per capita. Furthermore, Teslas have historically had the lowest rate of battery fires of any EV.
Stuck due to software updates?
Software updates never install automatically and you literally never have to sit and wait in the car for them. When a software update is available, you get a notification to schedule it both on the car’s screen itself and on your phone via the Tesla app. You don’t even have to touch the car to schedule or install the update from your phone. Additionally, if the concern is regarding getting in/out while an update is installing, the standard door handles work just fine throughout 95% of the update process, and the manual releases always work.
Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery?
What, to get in the car? That’s a valid criticism I suppose, but not at all unique to Teslas, and getting in won’t do you a lot of good with an “empty tank” anyway, especially if it’s dead to the point that even the 12V battery (which is responsible for the doors and most of the electronics other than the motors and HVAC) is fully drained. Either your 12V battery has to straight-up fail entirely or you have to leave the car sitting on 0% for weeks to months for this to happen. There are terminals to “jump” the car and access the frunk (and thus the 12V battery) without access to the inside of the car.
Body pieces not secure?
Build quality issues are not at all unique to Tesla, and occur with every manufacturer all the time. Except for the Cybertruck, nearly all of Tesla’s build quality issues were largely worked out years ago and are on the same level as other manufacturers.
Self driving is a lie?
My car literally drives me to and from work every day (40min one way) with very infrequent interventions or disengagements from me. Pretty convincing lie, if you ask me. While we’re not at level 3 autonomy yet, and Elon has hugely over promised and under delivered over the years, the tech is extremely impressive (especially given it’s 100% camera-based) and already pretty damn good (not always perfect) in most scenarios. It’s constantly being improved, too. I’ve gotten to personally experience the progress over the past 5ish years, and it feels like we’re getting pretty close. Whether it’s actually level 3+ soon, who knows. The future is hard to predict, especially with very new, experimental tech like this.
Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
100% valid, no argument from me.
All fair points, and the bad press might be one offs. No one ever wants to be the edge case though.
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
I just want a car with actual door handles. That it has weird electric ones just shows that Tesla over-engineers for cool factor.
The Model 3 and Model Y have regular door handles.
Their main issues are build quality and FSD that is marketed as way more capable than it is, which is a deadly combination.
My parents got an EV recently and whenever you start it up you have to hit OK to a data collection thing on the touch screen before it let’s you drive off 🥴
Sadly, most new cars are Internet connected nowadays, not just EV.
In fact, GM got caught selling customers data from their ICE cars (OnStar connected).
Laughs in warming the carbs on my pre-2000s motorcycle while holding out the choke.
I own 2 Model 3’s. I waited in line the day before the reveal to plunk down $1000 to reserve it sight-unseen.
I will never buy a Tesla again, and want to unload my 2 as soon as a comparable replacement is available. I’m embarrassed to drive mine around.
I’m really hoping Rivian can pull off mass production of the R2 and R3.
Me too.
Is it because of Elon at the helm of the company or moreso because the car itself is poorly made, unreliable, etc? I have a few friends who own Tesla’s, and I get mixed answers. Some say the quality is good others say it’s a POS.
It almost varies from car to car in my very limited experience. Just from outside one, the build quality varies wildly. I worked for a surgery center for a few years and didn’t notice until I saw 2 Drs parked side by side and one of them had massive body panels gaps that even I noticed. Having seen the difference, I can see it when I pass by parked ones as I go around town.
The lack of consistency is a deal breaker for me, even if the company wasn’t run by a south African Nazi
As a South African liberal: hey bru chillax.
If you take offense at Elon being called a Nazi, but think of yourself as a “liberal,” you might want to take a moment to reflect on why.
It felt like he was taking offense to throwing in the South African thing. But I could be wrong.
They’ve been great cars. The fit and finish is kind of lackluster, but the cars run great, are fun to drive, and have been extremely reliable.
I’m in the same boat. On the one hand, it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. On the other hand, Elon Musk.
The cars are fine. There’s a lot of disinformation out there.
Do their respective views on the quality of their Teslas correlate to their views on Musk?
The guy has simply lost it.
Complete idiot. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.
True. Jeff Bezos probably the most evil man on earth, but he knows to keep his mouth shut. So his business just getting bigger and no one really care about him and most importantly the media mostly just leave him alone.
Imagine getting so mad online that you had a $44 billion dollar, years long meltdown about it. You wouldn’t have to pay me 1% of that to never post online again.
It’s the usual narcissist trait of earnestly believing all your thoughts are important.
He totally has a framed photo of just himself in his office, just like his new buddy boy Donald. And I bet they don’t even like each other. They both want something and as soon as one of them get it the bromance will be over instantly.
I know the exact number someone would have to pay me to never post online again. That number is 3 orders of magnitude smaller than 44 billion. I could take less than that but I want to be compensated for giving up a fun little hobby.
I’d do 4 orders of magnitude less and take $4.4 million. That’s immediate FatFIRE, never need to work again kind of money.
I want triple that because I want to fund a free music school for kids that provides a good free instrument for any kid who completes the program. If I’m not posting on the Internet and I’m not forced to work I’m going to have a whole bunch of free time once I get my health in order and I’m going to need something to hit me with happy chemicals and fill my time.
I agree. Many companies have shady practices but very few of them have CEOs that show their shitty character as open as Elon Musk. One important reason of buying an electric car instead of a ICE car is causing less harm / negative impact to the world. And people who make their buying decision based on that in many cases don’t appreciate people constantly lying and promoting fachism. I personally won’t buy a Tesla as long as he is involved.
The dangerous thing here is that he’s using his influence, fame and resources to normalise being a chronic fuckhead, and it’s likely going to work.
I hope all his companies fail horribly. Even the space thing that’s innovating, I just don’t care that much about human space flight. Send probes to gather information, that’s interesting to me. I don’t care about getting people to Mars.
Is that a real picture or AI?
It’s edited. In the original you can see Musk’s tongue in Trump’s mouth.
This was part of the lobbying contract they agreed to, where Trump got sponsorship from Elon, and Elon got new tax breaks.
Weirdly, they both asked for a kissing picture clause at the same time.
It’s a super super very real picture, bigly real, people are saying…
I mean people are, you know people are asking about the photo folks. Oh my god are they asking about the photo. Over and over, and people are saying folks, let me tell you. Nobody is asking about what’s going on in the White House right now. Nobody, is, asking.
Nobody wants to ask. You know why? You know what sleepy Joe and Kamala are doing in the White House? Right now? As I type this message on lemmy and with minimal effort trying to imitate Trump they are doing crazy things.
They are bringing insane asylums into the US. I don’t know what an asylum seeker is, but we’ll get to the bottom of it.
