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OP, don’t kink shame
Ohio sigma
With the rizz?
SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED A NEW KIND OF MALE THAT TRANSCENDS THE GREEK ALPHABET ENTIRELY!!!
This new type of male belongs to the periodic table of elements. Known for their magnetic charm and iron will above all other types, scientists call this new type Fe Males!!!
Could you secretly be a Fe Male???
How can i sign up to be Iron Man?
It’s easier than you think! Tony Stark became Iron Man by wearing a special suit, right? That’s the secret!
That’s right! You can upgrade your manhood today simply by dressing like a Fe Male! Confused? Don’t worry! There are plenty of resources available! Simply Google “how to dress like a FeMale” and follow whatever results you find without question!
Huh, neat!
Iron Maid
Iron males is something I can imagine some incel dreaming up. It might be a fun troll.
Among the extreme right, being ironpilled refers to working out in preparation for the impending race war.
Is this a quote because it’s a quote from someone who actually said or wrote this, and you are quoting them?
If so… yikes.
If not… well done.
Alpha Males think they’re top shit, but it’s the Gamma Male that’s guaranteed to penetrate me
zeta males however, will simply probe you
“I’m an alpha, what are you?”
“I am the alpha and the omega. Bow before your god.”
I’m properly tested and released
That’s a bit optimistic, but I’m at least in the public beta phase
I despise xi males, they have the worst Greek letter.
I hope you didn’t mean it, but that is a really gross sentence with a slur phonetically.
That’s… Not how you pronounce xi
I think the commenter might speak Portuguese, or Catalan, or Chinese. Any language where X is pronounced as SH
Huh? Phonetically it could sound like “ze males” with a thick German accent but that’s not what I meant.
I quote:
No one likes xi. It is impossible to write, I mean which great mind thought it would be a good idea to turn a tornado into a letter, simply preposterous.
https://www.change.org/p/the-entire-multiverse-ban-xi-from-the-greek-alphabet
Edit: I can kinda see where the slur is now, bur that’s not how you pronounce (the Greek letter) “xi”. Xi is pronounced /zaɪ/ ZY or /(k)saɪ/ (K)SY in English and [ksi] in Greek.
Isn’t the greek equivalent of X Chi while Xi has more of an s sound?
I’m not a Greek expert, I just know what little math has taught me… 😅
The pronunciation thing came directly from Wikipedia because I was unsure how to spell it phonetically in English and then I threw the Greek pronunciation in because that’s how it’s pronounced in German too (since I am German and was only certain about the German pronunciation): Xi (letter)
It’s also worth noting that the “ZY” or “KSY” pronunciations might be misleading to English speakers. The “Y” in both of those is actually like the vowel in “fly”, not like in “baby”.
Fratbro, “Red Pill” guy, and Alphaverse writer have a conversation that is all misunderstandings:
a L p H a M a L e
Sigma meme
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I mean it may not be true for wolves, but it definitely is true for gorillas and chimps who are very closely related to us. Also most societies from hunter gathering bands all the way up to multi-national empires usually have a single male at the top. Is that right, probably not. Is it natural?, sort of. There seems to be a drive in a lot of men to dominate society and reach the top of the hierarchy. If you combine that natural drive with someone naturally capable to reach the top of the hierarchy and you get an alpha male. You also don’t have to be an incel to recognize a lot of women are attracted to these driven capable men.
The question isn’t whether alpha males exist, it’s what we as a society should do with them. We shouldn’t idolize them and let them rule over us. We should harness there drive and capabilities to help society as a whole
Gorillas and chimps are not similar at all in terms of social structures. Gorillas are heavily polygynous while chimps are more classified as promiscuous. There are more dominant and less dominant males for chimps as well as competition for social status, but social status is less connected with reproduction than in Gorillas, where the head male monopolizes groups of females and infanticide is common.
Most importantly, they are both very different from humans, who are far more monogamous because raising our babies is incredibly difficult. We’re fairly flexible and able to have all types of relationships under the sun, from polygyny to polyandry. Our social structures can have more or less dominant members. While that often coincides with men who best wield violence, there are many other important things that are used to exert domination and control, from group support to one’s usefulness at important tasks.
Above all else, “alpha” men who rise through the ranks by being brutal assholes are not always those who are successful. If anything, the original alpha male study showed how behavior is flexible given the context. In brutal conditions with mostly strangers, violence and domination is likely the most successful strategy. Typically, wolf hierarchies are based on seniority within family units, where being an asshole isn’t always the best idea. The situation drives behavior, so alpha bros will only be as prevalent as our social structures support.
We are capable of whatever currently works best because nature is fundamentally about whatever works best. Biology evolves slowly, but it’s also designed to adapt to a variety of circumstances. Most toxic men are made by being rewarded for toxicity instead of being rewarded for rejecting it. Different people tend towards different behavior through a multitude of factors, but room can be made to satisfy most typical impulses in a positive way.
You are kinda right about harnessing things like biology, but our understanding of things is the most dangerous thing of all.
It’s not true for gorillas or chimps either - and those groups don’t share a social structure. I have a feeling that you are not well informed on this topic.
You could say it’s not true for bonobos but I have no idea how you could make the case that a silverback gorilla is not an “alpha” unless you have some very specific definition. Just pulling from Wikipedia as I’m lazy, but if you have better sources please provide them:
The silverback is the centre of the troop’s attention, making all the decisions, mediating conflicts, determining the movements of the group, leading the others to feeding sites, and taking responsibility for the safety and well-being of the troop. Younger males subordinate to the silverback, known as blackbacks, may serve as backup protection. Blackbacks are aged between 8 and 12 years
That seems to describe an alpha beta hierarchy structure to me. With chimps it may be a little less obvious and more variable but still, according to wikipedia again:
Among males, there is generally a dominance hierarchy, and males are dominant over females.
And
Male chimpanzees exist in a linear dominance hierarchy. Top-ranking males tend to be aggressive even during dominance stability
Yes humans have way more complex social structures but almost always there is a hierarchy of men at the top usually with a single man at the apex, call them alphas, the patriarchy, the oppressors, the greats or whatever you want, they exist. Denying their existence or the fundamental drive powering them only helps to obfuscate there motives. We as a society need to recognize those people and harness them for the benefit of society instead of the benefit of themselves.
Chickens have a dominance hierarchy too. And so do rats under some conditions. The dominance literature that I know of does not make it sound great. Dominant makes are like the loud drunk guy at a party who wants fight - people just generally avoid him. So they’re socially isolated bullies. Robert and Caroline Blanchard from University of Hawaii is good for this work, and Robert Sapolsky for work on stress hormones.
Petersdorf and Higham are a great summary of the variety in the primate world. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118584538.ieba0308
Yes humans have way more complex social structures but almost always there is a hierarchy of men at the top usually with a single man at the apex, call them alphas, the patriarchy, the oppressors, the greats or whatever you want, they exist.
They do in your head, probably because you want to be dominated by a man you unquestioningly accept as your ‘superior’. I won’t kink shame, but this is not for me.
Looking at your post history, you seem to be a Bad Take Machine. Bye!
So all the authoritarian regimes of today and the countless ones in the past are in my head? All the hierarchical corporate structures with a male CEO at the top is in my head? What world are you living in where there isn’t a small group or even a single male at the top making the major decisions?
I never said this is the right way to organize things, or that those people should be leading, I literally said we shouldnt idolize them and let them rule us, I think outside of times of crisis that shouldn’t be how we organize society. I believe we need to fight these systems of organization but to do that we need to understand them, denying there existence or the drives that propel them just maintains the status quo. In order to fight fascism you need to understand what drives fascism.
