Carnivores have to eat animals to survive while we don’t, for starters. And they don’t have access to replacements or alternatives, like we do, which justifies omnivores as well. Additionally, animals in the wild are in a survival situation, they can’t really be picky about it. It’s literally kill or be killed (or starve). Most of us have the luxury of choice, and when you have a choice it’s then that the evil or good conundrum arises.
Overpopulation isn’t the issue either, since we’d save land compared to now if we all ate plants.
I don’t think it’s right to call an animal evil because it exists in a world where it’s food natural is produced in an evil manner (i.e. it was born into an evil culture). If that’s the case, even if you’re vegan, are you certain your clothes or possessions didn’t come from exploitative labor, otherwise, you’re evil too right?
Also, one can buy their meat from small non-factory producers or even hunt or fish their food, not uncommon at all in many parts of the world, I don’t see why this is inherently any more of a “problem” than any other animal eating meat (again, the problem arises from the scale of humanity).
Overpopulation isn’t the issue either, since we’d save land compared to now if we all ate plants.
At best ideas like veganism pushes problems of overpopulation back a few more years. The planet is not infinite, we cannot just grow forever so long as everyone is vegan and lives in a city and takes the bus.
Point is we don’t have to, and if you acknowledge this along with the fact that our consumption contributes to animal suffering, what does that make us?
I don’t much care for unhelpful labels like “evil,” but it sure isn’t good. It’s not even consistent.
Any animal higher on the food chain than herbivores causes animal suffering, this is nature, I didn’t make things this way, and I’m not evil/bad/whatever for doing what my genes instruct me to do.
We don’t have to consume animal products (in modern times where people have plenty of choices what to eat) , that’s true, but it doesn’t matter except to you, your friends, and the particular animals you didn’t eat.
I’m all for vegans choice to eat whatever, but many vegans say that we should all be vegan to save us from climate change or prevent animal cruelty and that is simply not going to happen. That’s like expecting the world to go on a diet and succeeding, or asking billions to abstain from sex. Our genes drive us to eat meat, you’re not gonna get a vegan world without a fascist world leader enforcing it harshly.
We can’t even get people to give up driving cars, why would vegans think people would give up meat? If we want to be realistic about solving climate change and reducing animal cruelty, we need to look for realistic solutions that don’t depend on most people in the the world denying biological instinct successfully their whole life.
Wow how it that some people are able to go against the will of their genes (and instincts!!) and forgot forego participating in the Natural Cruelty that is eating other animals! Amazing! Surely we would want to export this incredible gift to as many people as possible, right?
but it doesn’t matter except to you, your friends, and the particular animals you didn’t eat.
Why does the animals’ interest to not be killed not outweigh you and your friends’ desire to end their life and eat their body, instead of plants that give you equal nourishment?
Why is the value of their very life less than the value of your whim?
Probably for the same reason that the value of a plant’s life is considered by you to be less than the value of the animal’s life. Just a disagreement about where the line between okay and not okay is.
Carnivores have to eat animals to survive while we don’t, for starters. And they don’t have access to replacements or alternatives, like we do, which justifies omnivores as well. Additionally, animals in the wild are in a survival situation, they can’t really be picky about it. It’s literally kill or be killed (or starve). Most of us have the luxury of choice, and when you have a choice it’s then that the evil or good conundrum arises.
Overpopulation isn’t the issue either, since we’d save land compared to now if we all ate plants.
I don’t think it’s right to call an animal evil because it exists in a world where it’s food natural is produced in an evil manner (i.e. it was born into an evil culture). If that’s the case, even if you’re vegan, are you certain your clothes or possessions didn’t come from exploitative labor, otherwise, you’re evil too right?
Also, one can buy their meat from small non-factory producers or even hunt or fish their food, not uncommon at all in many parts of the world, I don’t see why this is inherently any more of a “problem” than any other animal eating meat (again, the problem arises from the scale of humanity).
At best ideas like veganism pushes problems of overpopulation back a few more years. The planet is not infinite, we cannot just grow forever so long as everyone is vegan and lives in a city and takes the bus.
Point is we don’t have to, and if you acknowledge this along with the fact that our consumption contributes to animal suffering, what does that make us?
I don’t much care for unhelpful labels like “evil,” but it sure isn’t good. It’s not even consistent.
Any animal higher on the food chain than herbivores causes animal suffering, this is nature, I didn’t make things this way, and I’m not evil/bad/whatever for doing what my genes instruct me to do.
We don’t have to consume animal products (in modern times where people have plenty of choices what to eat) , that’s true, but it doesn’t matter except to you, your friends, and the particular animals you didn’t eat.
I’m all for vegans choice to eat whatever, but many vegans say that we should all be vegan to save us from climate change or prevent animal cruelty and that is simply not going to happen. That’s like expecting the world to go on a diet and succeeding, or asking billions to abstain from sex. Our genes drive us to eat meat, you’re not gonna get a vegan world without a fascist world leader enforcing it harshly.
We can’t even get people to give up driving cars, why would vegans think people would give up meat? If we want to be realistic about solving climate change and reducing animal cruelty, we need to look for realistic solutions that don’t depend on most people in the the world denying biological instinct successfully their whole life.
This is why I’m glad A.I. will be the ones to venture to the stars.
Wow how it that some people are able to go against the will of their genes (and instincts!!) and forgot forego participating in the Natural Cruelty that is eating other animals! Amazing! Surely we would want to export this incredible gift to as many people as possible, right?
Why does the animals’ interest to not be killed not outweigh you and your friends’ desire to end their life and eat their body, instead of plants that give you equal nourishment?
Why is the value of their very life less than the value of your whim?
Probably for the same reason that the value of a plant’s life is considered by you to be less than the value of the animal’s life. Just a disagreement about where the line between okay and not okay is.