• mojo_raisin@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    what does that make us?

    Any animal higher on the food chain than herbivores causes animal suffering, this is nature, I didn’t make things this way, and I’m not evil/bad/whatever for doing what my genes instruct me to do.

    We don’t have to consume animal products (in modern times where people have plenty of choices what to eat) , that’s true, but it doesn’t matter except to you, your friends, and the particular animals you didn’t eat.

    I’m all for vegans choice to eat whatever, but many vegans say that we should all be vegan to save us from climate change or prevent animal cruelty and that is simply not going to happen. That’s like expecting the world to go on a diet and succeeding, or asking billions to abstain from sex. Our genes drive us to eat meat, you’re not gonna get a vegan world without a fascist world leader enforcing it harshly.

    We can’t even get people to give up driving cars, why would vegans think people would give up meat? If we want to be realistic about solving climate change and reducing animal cruelty, we need to look for realistic solutions that don’t depend on most people in the the world denying biological instinct successfully their whole life.

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      6 months ago

      Wow how it that some people are able to go against the will of their genes (and instincts!!) and forgot forego participating in the Natural Cruelty that is eating other animals! Amazing! Surely we would want to export this incredible gift to as many people as possible, right?

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      6 months ago

      but it doesn’t matter except to you, your friends, and the particular animals you didn’t eat.

      Why does the animals’ interest to not be killed not outweigh you and your friends’ desire to end their life and eat their body, instead of plants that give you equal nourishment?

      Why is the value of their very life less than the value of your whim?

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        6 months ago

        Probably for the same reason that the value of a plant’s life is considered by you to be less than the value of the animal’s life. Just a disagreement about where the line between okay and not okay is.