Ok, I’ll be waiting here for evidence that there were tunnels being used by hamas under every single one of those homes, and that israel was using bunker busters to actually destroy them. But I don’t expect i’ll ever get that, because Israel consistently lies about this stuff and then just waits for people to forget it instead of backing up their claims.
Israel does have to prove that they didn’t commit a horrifying war crime. Cmon.
Also its ridiculous that you’re falling back on calling me antisemitic. If India did the same thing in Jammu and Kashmir, or Russia did it in Ukraine, I would also not believe any proof they presented until it was verified by a third party. That’s just basic critical thinking skills.
They don’t have to prove it to you, only to itself, maybe its allies. If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.
In my view, the IDF is way more credible than Hamas.
Is that what Russia claims when it does so? My recollection is that usually Russia offers no explanation or they deny their responsibility; they’ll say like, oh we were struck some military targets, but that apartment building was hit by Ukraine’s own missile defense system. Another difference is that Ukraine doesn’t have any sort of interconnected tunnel warfare system, let alone one that runs underneath every major city; it would be incredible to say that there were military tunnels under all these apartment buildings. Further, you can see from the Russian attacks that the missiles are frequently launched twenty or thirty at a time, and many of them don’t hit anything at all. Seems like it’s actually indiscriminate, intentional targeting of civilians: chiefly, I’m not aware of a single attempt by Russia to warn civilians before an airstrike, have seen zero screenshots and heard zero audio recordings of warnings. Ukraine is also credible when it says “there was no military target,” unlike Hamas, which incredibly denies everything. Again, if you throw a dart at a map of Gaza, you’re pretty much going to hit a tunnel: 400 miles of tunnels with 5,000 shafts in an area that is 25 miles wide at its widest point.
Russia doesn’t usually explain or elaborate that much. They just say “we only target military targets, whether obvious or disguised” and then shoot a missile at an school or something, killing civilians. And they could be telling the truth, because Ukraine has used civilian infrastructure like that before, but Russia never provides evidence that the specific school was used that way. This is pretty much the Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnel system, bc you have valid military targets around/in some civilian infrastructure, but Russia ends up just bombing everything.
You also mentioned russian attacks being “actually indiscriminate”, but half of the bombs that Israel has dropped on Gaza have been unguided, so that seems like it’s also indiscriminate.
There is no Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnels. The Hamas tunnels are unprecedented in world history. Russia and Ukraine are both legitimate countries with legitimate governments.
Amnesty has no credibility anymore unfortunately. It is Hamas that has a duty of distinction, but it doesn’t usually wear uniforms and hides its fighters, weapons, and infrastructure right under people’s homes, hospitals, and school. Ya know, because it’s an illegal terrorist organization and in no way a legitimate government/state? Has Hamas ever once prosecuted its own people for war crimes? No, but it does stone people to death for being “collaborators.” Why don’t you stop trying to run defense for literal terrorists, designated as such by a few dozen different countires?
If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.
Come on… grow out of this, please… they don’t minimize civilian casualties, and there is never a valid military target. Were all the dead babies in incubators a civilian casualty Israel tried to minimize by shooting all the doctors? Serious, get a fucking grip. And it doesn’t matter what links I’d send you because you’d either say they are (1) “just reports”; or (2) look terrible and bloody but are totally not a war crime because you trust the IDF more than your own braincells.
Do you have like some kind of personal investment with Israel? You got my head scratching… how can you be reasonable about anything else in life, but when it comes to Palestinians being butchered, you just claim they were “reports”?
They use the cell phone network to locate phones, then they send calls and texts. You can usually find recordings and screenshots after an airstrike.
Of course, the media basically never reports on it.
If there is a tunnel under the building, that’s not a civilian target.
Ok, I’ll be waiting here for evidence that there were tunnels being used by hamas under every single one of those homes, and that israel was using bunker busters to actually destroy them. But I don’t expect i’ll ever get that, because Israel consistently lies about this stuff and then just waits for people to forget it instead of backing up their claims.
Israel doesn’t owe you anything.
And when they do release proof, you say “Jews are liars.”
See how that works? There’s no reasoning with your type.
Israel does have to prove that they didn’t commit a horrifying war crime. Cmon.
Also its ridiculous that you’re falling back on calling me antisemitic. If India did the same thing in Jammu and Kashmir, or Russia did it in Ukraine, I would also not believe any proof they presented until it was verified by a third party. That’s just basic critical thinking skills.
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They don’t have to prove it to you, only to itself, maybe its allies. If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.
In my view, the IDF is way more credible than Hamas.
Ok, can Russia also provide itself with evidence about Ukrainian forces being in civilian infrastructure to justify leveling an apartment?
Is that what Russia claims when it does so? My recollection is that usually Russia offers no explanation or they deny their responsibility; they’ll say like, oh we were struck some military targets, but that apartment building was hit by Ukraine’s own missile defense system. Another difference is that Ukraine doesn’t have any sort of interconnected tunnel warfare system, let alone one that runs underneath every major city; it would be incredible to say that there were military tunnels under all these apartment buildings. Further, you can see from the Russian attacks that the missiles are frequently launched twenty or thirty at a time, and many of them don’t hit anything at all. Seems like it’s actually indiscriminate, intentional targeting of civilians: chiefly, I’m not aware of a single attempt by Russia to warn civilians before an airstrike, have seen zero screenshots and heard zero audio recordings of warnings. Ukraine is also credible when it says “there was no military target,” unlike Hamas, which incredibly denies everything. Again, if you throw a dart at a map of Gaza, you’re pretty much going to hit a tunnel: 400 miles of tunnels with 5,000 shafts in an area that is 25 miles wide at its widest point.
Russia doesn’t usually explain or elaborate that much. They just say “we only target military targets, whether obvious or disguised” and then shoot a missile at an school or something, killing civilians. And they could be telling the truth, because Ukraine has used civilian infrastructure like that before, but Russia never provides evidence that the specific school was used that way. This is pretty much the Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnel system, bc you have valid military targets around/in some civilian infrastructure, but Russia ends up just bombing everything.
You also mentioned russian attacks being “actually indiscriminate”, but half of the bombs that Israel has dropped on Gaza have been unguided, so that seems like it’s also indiscriminate.
Also, according to this amnestly international report (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-causing-mass-civilian-casualties-amid-real-risk-of-genocide/), there are a lot of cases where Israel isn’t actually warning civilians before leveling their houses. They also say “Even if Israeli forces had intended to target legitimate military objectives in the vicinity, these attacks evidently failed to distinguish between military objectives and civilian objects and would therefore be indiscriminate. Indiscriminate attacks that kill and injure civilians are war crimes.”
So yeah, it’s not really debatable that Israel is committing war crimes. Stop trying to run defense for them.
There is no Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnels. The Hamas tunnels are unprecedented in world history. Russia and Ukraine are both legitimate countries with legitimate governments.
Amnesty has no credibility anymore unfortunately. It is Hamas that has a duty of distinction, but it doesn’t usually wear uniforms and hides its fighters, weapons, and infrastructure right under people’s homes, hospitals, and school. Ya know, because it’s an illegal terrorist organization and in no way a legitimate government/state? Has Hamas ever once prosecuted its own people for war crimes? No, but it does stone people to death for being “collaborators.” Why don’t you stop trying to run defense for literal terrorists, designated as such by a few dozen different countires?
Come on… grow out of this, please… they don’t minimize civilian casualties, and there is never a valid military target. Were all the dead babies in incubators a civilian casualty Israel tried to minimize by shooting all the doctors? Serious, get a fucking grip. And it doesn’t matter what links I’d send you because you’d either say they are (1) “just reports”; or (2) look terrible and bloody but are totally not a war crime because you trust the IDF more than your own braincells.
Do you have like some kind of personal investment with Israel? You got my head scratching… how can you be reasonable about anything else in life, but when it comes to Palestinians being butchered, you just claim they were “reports”?