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      Simplifying somewhat… The Ottomans sided with the Nazis in WWI. The rule back then was: lose the war, lose the land. They lost the war and therefore the land, hence the British Mandate for Palestine. That created two countries: Israel for the Jews and (Trans)Jordan for the Arabs, with Jordan being about three times the size. But the Arabs didn’t like that and wanted ALL the land, despite having lost the war. But clearly they agree with the principle: lose the war, lose the land, because that’s what they want to achieve by winning a war against Israel: “from the river to the sea” and all that. The problem is that every war they’ve started, they’ve also lost, and they’re sore about that, so they keep starting wars in the hope that one day they’ll win. Oct 7th was the latest in that line, with Hamas hoping Hezbollah, the PLA and several other fronts would open up against Israel and defeat them in a multi-front attack, but unfortunately for Hamas Hezbollah have only fired a few token rockets over the border and everyone else has chucked them under the bus.

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        the Nazis in WW1

        I think we can stop reading there, if that’s the extend of your historic literacy (the rest is not much better)

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        The Ottomans sided with the Nazis in WWI.

        You are a liar. The Nazi Party wasn’t even in power during WW1.

        The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[c] or NSDAP), was a far-right[10][11][12] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 Source

        World War I or the First World War[j] (28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918) Source

        11 November 1918 < 1920

        It would have been a lie even if he meant WWII, because the Ottoman Empire was ended by then with the sultanate gone (year 1922 to be precise).

        World War II or the Second World War[b] was a global conflict that lasted from 1939 to 1945. Source

        Defeated in World War I, the Ottoman Empire signed the Armistice of Mudros on 30 October 1918. Istanbul was occupied by combined British, French, Italian, and Greek forces. In May 1919, Greece also took control of the area around Smyrna (now İzmir).

        The partition of the Ottoman Empire was finalized under the terms of the 1920 Treaty of Sèvres. Source

        Never. Trust. A. Zionist.

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          I think what they meant was german nationalists not actually the nazi party. Its like how people call american nationalists nazis even though they arent the same.

          Ottomans were on an allience with Germany in ww1 and collectively were on board with the nazi uprising for ww2.

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            No, the Ottoman Empire was not supporting Nazis, and your far fetched attempt at making that claim is outrageous. During the reign of Hitler, Turkey was under secular anti-Islam (very much not Ottoman) rule. Quit your bullshit. In fact, arguably, the Ottoman Empire has historically provided a safe haven for the jews during their persecution.

            The experience of Jews in the Ottoman Empire is particularly significant because the region “provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of Western Europe by massacres and persecution.” Source

            The establishment of Israel with the help of the Brits is the repayment for that.