• PugJesus@kbin.socialOP
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    If you asked me if MLs had a point with regards to nearly any other foreign or economic policy position, I’d agree that there’s some place of validity they’re coming from. But the unrelenting support (no matter how many times they call it ‘critical’) of Russian imperialism and Chinese totalitarianism reveals them as bootlickers to the last. There is no justification for the Ukrainian War that can be claimed from anything except a Russian nationalist position, and those who say otherwise while jerking off to Russian atrocities against Ukrainian civilians can eat shit.

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      Which do you dislike more? Tankies or MAGA? When was the last time a Tankie won a political office in your country? Have any tankies even run for office? Even if you detest tankies, they are not the immediate threat. Hard right conservatives are. Fight one battle at a time. Last time I checked, tankies were against far right conservatives, so they’re an ally, for now.

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        Which do you dislike more? Tankies or MAGA?

        MAGA, though not for lack of hate from tankies. As you folk are so quick to remind me, ‘liberals get the bullet too’, wherein ‘liberals’ means ‘anyone who disagrees that the Soviet Union was the only way forward and not a complete bastardization of Marx’s work’.

        Even if you detest tankies, they are not the immediate threat. Hard right conservatives are. Fight one battle at a time.

        What battle against tankies am I fighting that takes away from fighting against hard-right conservatives? Hard-right conservatives in this country are anti-Ukraine as well, so this fight, if anything, hits two birds with one stone.

        Last time I checked, tankies were against far right conservatives, so they’re an ally, for now.

        Fucking lmao. Isn’t that the line tankies have used every time since the October Revolution to ensure they’re in a place to massacre all other leftists and ensure that they’re the only viable opposition to the right? Get the fuck out of here.

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          I am not a tankie, I’m an anarchist. And I’m aware of what the “tankies” did to people like me in 1923. But the threat to me is fascism right now. Deal with the Nazis first, then you can deal with the communists. Seems logical to me. If you think you can fight a two-front war you’re only helping fascism.

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            Funny how that line doesn’t apply when tankies and “totally I’m an anarchist you guys” are hostile towards capitalists and liberals. It’s only people who aren’t tankies who are obligated to not ‘fight a two-front war’, here meaning ‘saying anything in any context against the opposition’.

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              I read that three times and still don’t understand it. If I could pee in a cup to prove I’m not a Marxist Leninist I would. I ally with them, because I hate capitalism too. This has happened before in history. Capitalism is unsustainable and destroying the planet. It will fail. What do you want to replace it with? Capitalism lite? I understand that planned economies are the only viable option for the future. I would prefer council communism or anarchist-syndicalism, but they have never been undertaken at such a large scale. If Marxist-Leninism is the best path at that time , I’ll understand. My concern is climate change. By holding on to liberalism/capitalism you and your ilk are dooming us all.

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                In simpler terms, you yourself have spent ample time in this very comment section criticizing liberals and then turning right back around and saying that if liberals criticize tankies, they’re waging a ‘two-front war’ and actually helping the fascists.

                I didn’t bring it up because I dislike tankies and their useful idiots, but I’m not a supporter of capitalism, certainly not in the long-term. And a planned economy is certainly fucking not the only way forward.

                The only thing MLs bring is a complete misunderstanding of Marx’s work in exchange for some really strange idealistic pseudo-religious dogma about vanguards and just murdering enough kulaks to REALLY achieve communism this time, honest; completely ignoring the historical dialectic which was so fucking central to Marx and Engel’s theories.

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                  You seem to think that socialism/communism in America would be like Soviet Russia. It could be, would that not be better for the planet? It may be something better? I’m intrigued. What economy would be better for the planet than a planned economy? Bartering? Sex for rations?