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How do you decide which species it is appropriate to slaughter? Can humanity come to a consensus on which species it is ok to slaughter? If we can’t come to a consensus, who gets to decide? Is it appropriate to let individuals decide the fate of species?
I’m not actually a vegetarian but I like trying to understand other views.
Maybe on another world, creatures like us are lower on the food chain and get slaughtered like how we slaughter turkeys. Would you ask the creatures on the top of that food chain to stop? How would you convince them?
How do you decide which species it is appropriate to slaughter?
The ones that taste the best, taste is an excellent guide to what’s good for us, sugar and cocaine aside
Can humanity come to a consensus on which species it is ok to slaughter?
No chance. Cow is my favourite food, but is sacred in India. Wombat was a favourite food of indigenous Australians, but modern Aussies wouldn’t dream of killing one
If we can’t come to a consensus, who gets to decide? Is it appropriate to let individuals decide the fate of species?
Region by region. I won’t eat dog, but I don’t complain when the Chinese do. When we decide an animal is good food, that animal gets far higher population than it would in the wild
I’m not actually a vegetarian but I like trying to understand other views.
Me too. I thought this place with its large population of presumably vegans would be a good one to talk with them
Maybe on another world, creatures like us are lower on the food chain and get slaughtered like how we slaughter turkeys. Would you ask the creatures on the top of that food chain to stop? How would you convince them?
I have read that book, Sherrie Tepper - family tree (if I recall correctly)
We have that here. Australian indigenous in the north are occasionally preyed upon by crocodiles. I’m not going to tell those people to act differently and I don’t think one can negotiate with crocodiles.
Star trek did it too, in the Discovery series, with one of the crew being a refugee from a planet where a genuinely sentient creature is farmed by more powerful creatures
I presume humans would try to change the aliens though, I’ll leave it to the philosophers to work out whether we should, but my feeling is we shouldn’t disturb them
Because animals feel and think like humans do.
That is almost nonsense. They feel and think, but they don’t recognise themselves in a mirror. I get it’s human to dislike killing things — the Masai asked their prey to forgive them.
But their feeling versus our ethical killing methods and how we thrive when we eat meat, I reckon eating cows is ethical. We do so much better on meat than on plants we are clearly evolved as top predators. How can it be unethical for a predator to take prey? Do you think a lion should eat celery?
I don’t eat pigs though. At least not unless someone else provides it for dinner.
No what’s nonsense is assuming you, an animal, are somehow above a squirrel when your direct actions destroy the planet while the squirrel fits into a system of balance providing something actually useful to the natural world. There are people, children they’re called, that can’t recognize themselves in a mirror. What’s that have to do with anything?
Humans can choose to not eat meat in many places right now. Those that don’t have the option, sure, they should eat what they can. That’s not the same as the factory farming practices that supply most of the world with its meat. You’re on the Internet so I assume this part of the group that doesn’t have to eat meat.
There are no ethical killing methods. That’s a phrase people like you made up to try and mitigate the shame you feel killing an innocent creature. Let’s raise you to the perfect age for your tender meat then bolt you. Real humane.
You think you’re a predator? Ha. Strip down and rub out in the woods with nothing and catch/kill and animal and eat it. Report back. It’s so hypocritical to talk about humans being above other animals then try to use an actual predator as analog.
Look… You came here to argue. You’re not going to have your mind changed because you’re incapable of such an act. You can’t or won’t see the harm you cause because you lack depth and understanding. I feel bad that your are the way you are because a lot of it is societal pressure, but also cavemen died off or evolved so one way or another we won’t have to worry about people like you forever.
We (humans in general) have not had to hunt animals unarmed for more than a hundred thousand years. We had bows, spears, spear throwers
Before that, before we were homo sapiens, we probably scavenged other animals’ kills, smashing the animal’s skull in with a rock to get at the brain
We know humans were predators by examining the bones of old skeletons. You can tell by the isotopes the bones are made of what the person ate - plants, animals, seaweed, fish, shellfish
But the main thing that makes me certain we are made to eat meat is that you can die from eating too much sugar, you can’t eat too much meat or fat your body tells you to stop. The current epidemic of diabetes shows that there is no stop signal for sugar
Chew first, then swallow
Or be cowards and downvote and stay silent
Dude, one person down voted you lol
I don’t know how many answers you’re going to get from vegetarians on a carnivore community
The one you responded to has at least 3 down votes in the time out has been up, from +1 to zero to -1 to -2
The post has had -9
Maybe even people who like meat dislike your obvious edgelord ragebait.
I just figured since there were clearly so many anti-carnivore people here it would be an opportunity for a discussion
Edgy? Really?
It was just one at the time I responded. It’s probably getting down voted because the entire tone of your post sounds like you think anyone who disagrees with you owes you an explanation. It seems more like a trollish demand rather than a legitimate question.
