• scott__p@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    At $25k in the US this would have been amazing. It reminded me of the Nissan Pike cars from the 90s. As it is, it just showed that Honda doesn’t understand EVs or EV buyers.

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    10 months ago

    Lol.

    At least they were smart enough to not even try selling that overpriced toy in the USA.

  • mrchowmein@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Didnt every single Honda electrified car get discontinued within a single generation including cars like the Insight, fit, accord and civic. Sure, eventually honda teases people by eventually rebrand a car to bring it back the electrified cat, but its almost like clockwork that honda will discontinue whatever hybrid/ev they make in 3-5 years.

  • bhauertso@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    I am sad to see the Honda e’s demise before it could really be appreciated. I understand it was never priced to sell, so it is a failure. But I nevertheless really liked the design (both exterior and interior), and the motif (small city car).

    I hope that this isn’t taken as a signal arguing against those two attributes (its size and design). I believe it would have done well had the costs been lower, and the resulting price had reflected that.

    I would be all over something like this as a second car if it were $25K or thereabouts.

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      10 months ago

      the resulting price had reflected that

      For the right price, everything can be sold.

  • Lord_Santa@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Honda really messed up with the Honda e. Too expensive, and the range is unacceptably short. The car is beautiful inside and out, but I’d never recommend it to anyone due to the price and nonexistent range.

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    10 months ago

    Cool car, but good as a second car - and I‘m not gonna spend 39k on that when there‘s a used i3 for 15k

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    10 months ago

    Damn shame, this was one of the few EVs that a decent number of ICE drivers seemed interested in. Once again the the value for money ratio was daft.

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      10 months ago

      the honda clarity in america has a similar issue. by all accounts, if you can live with the gimpy range it’s a well made vehicle but honda has no intention of making a mass market EV like the BYD seal.

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      10 months ago

      The Honda E is a high-effort car in every respect except the powertrain. It’s highly demonstrable of how far behind they are with EV tech.

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      10 months ago

      They’ll gladly make an example of it though: “See? No one wants to buy small hatchbacks anymore. We’re going to exclusively make 7-seater SUVs with high profit margins now.”

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      10 months ago

      It wasn’t a compliance car, that term is used for the EVs released in the US/California to get fleet mileages up. The Honda e was a “city” car intended to compete it the same market as the original BMW i3 and Renault Zoe.

      It probably wasn’t expected to earn a profit but was an effort to learn the technology.

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      10 months ago

      Sadly I think you’re right that it was never intended to be a success. But nevertheless, I really enjoy the design and size. I hope companies don’t misinterpret its failure.

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    10 months ago

    Given how distinctive it is and the short run it’s having, I reckon these will end up as collector’s items.

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      10 months ago

      Good point. If I were a car collector, I would definitely keep an eye open for one to add to the collection. Even as a non-collector, every time I see the interior photos I think, “wow, what a great little car.”

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    10 months ago

    The draw of a small car is a small price. 39k isnt small. Add to that a pretty small range and yeah… Not surprised it didnt sell well. It couldnt compete with cars in its price range, and it couldnt compete with cars in its class. A shame, but not a surprise.

    • Maximillien@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      The draw of a small car is a small price

      …and easier to find street parking.

      …and easier to fit in all types of garages and parking lots.

      …and less weight to damage your driveway and public roads.

      …and easier/less stressful to maneuver on narrow streets.

      …and nimbler and more responsive to drive.

      …and higher efficiency with lower refuel costs.

      …and better for the environment with less materials used and less emissions created.

      …and better visibility with smaller blind spots.

      …and safer for everyone around you, less likely to crash, and less fatal if you do crash.

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        10 months ago

        Good points actually. But those are things you need to think about first. Price is an immediate, obvious benefit. :)

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      10 months ago

      39k??!! What are they smoking… ugh, it’s so cool looking, wish we had them in the states (at a reasonable cost).

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        10 months ago

        I was screaming at Honda for this car. Finally said fuck it and got a Model Y, and got one of the first CyberTrucks on pre order. Honda you suck, and this car brought back childhood memories, we could have had something.

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      10 months ago

      You’re forgetting the small 46kW charge rate - so you’re not recharging very fast when you inevitably don’t get very far.

      It’s such a cute, quirky, utterly perplexing car.

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        10 months ago

        Japanese companies seem to have a really hard time grasping what Europeans or North Americans want from EVs.

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        10 months ago

        I mean, true, but a small charge rate isnt that big of an issue if the battery is also small. It just gets difficult if the two dont match up well. That said, at that price, they couldve added that small QoL thing…

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          10 months ago

          Well yes and no. A poor charge rate on a small battery means it will probably charge, from a SoC perspective, as fast as a bigger vehicle with a faster charge rate…but it’s adding effective range more slowly - and considering you need to stop more frequently, it compounds the disadvantage.

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            10 months ago

            True. Though it only becomes a problem with longer travel distances, where youd require more than one stop to charge. And at that point, the size of the battery is a larger annoyance I reckon.

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      10 months ago

      Ye olde Smart Car problem:

      “Wow, that’s a cute little car, must’ve been pretty cheap, huh?”

      “Nah, it was $30K. Same as a Honda Civic, with a quarter the space and none of the bells and whistles.”

      “…”

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        10 months ago

        Also, “it must get great gas mileage”, nope 36mpg (EPA rating in the US). Worse than my Ford fiesta at the time which was 14k (back in 2014).

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          10 months ago

          I don’t know how they fucked up the efficiency. The EV version is also terrible at 16.1 kWh/ 100 km. It should be easy to get much lower than that with such a light car. Maybe the onboard inverter is too inefficient?

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      10 months ago

      Even at that price they were still making a loss, they didn’t want to sell any. A compliance car and nothing else.

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        10 months ago

        Not sure about making a loss, thatd depend on how you calculate it… Fully agreed on compliance car though.

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        10 months ago

        I don’t think the Honda e was a compliance car, since compliance cars were a thing for the US/California market and the Honda e was never sold here.

        It was more a “city car” in the vein of the original BMW i3 BEV, the i3 had about an 80km range when introduced. It was never considered a compliance car.

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    10 months ago

    It’s a lifestyle car. The people who buy stuff like this want it when it’s new. The enthusiasm for a pure lifestyle product drops after a few years.

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    10 months ago

    I like the design but that’s all it has. 42k€ for 222km combined WLTP is bad, nowadays you get double the battery for that price.

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      10 months ago

      In fact, next year youll get 150% of the battery at half its price. Which is just bonkers…

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    10 months ago

    FFS, Nissan Leafs have more range and more room for less money. Yes, not as hi-tech, but come on, Honda?

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    10 months ago

    I have one, got a great deal on it, it’s not the best EV in most categories but it’s fun, and nice and cool looking with lots of tech…

    I very much enjoy it but it’s a shame it’s not getting newer versions anytime soon