Seen both Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher criticising Alisson for being clearly fouled during the game saying he needs to do better, both amongst others said the same about Gabriel when Joelinton pushed him into the goal with both hands. What is with the victim blaming from pundits, can’t exactly do much when someone fouls you
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Agree
It’s always been crap. Watched a game when ex managers like Wenger and Mourihno and it was worlds apart from the drivel I hear from these ex players.
It’s crazy to see how bad your pundits while in France I really think we have top class commentary with people who really know and understand the game without any click bait attitude!
It wasn’t a foul at all 😂
Victim blaming? It’s fucking football, bullshit like that needs to stay away from football. Please .
Ah Gary Neville, the genius mind who invented the concept of a holiday, although his original trademarked term was “mini retirement”
Clearly fouled? Best make sure he stays inside whenever there’s a strong wind…
I think the problem with both of those scenarios is they can now be 50/50 calls. Both Alisson and Gabby’s examples are ones in which some of us will say “he’s got to be stronger there”, because if you don’t get the foul then you’ve just conceded a real soft goal. Fans and teammates would then both be pissed that the defensive player didn’t show more aggression in the challenge.
It’s really time to realise that Neville and Carragher are not “experts” but simply two popular “football commentators” who know exactly how limited their analysis are. Thousands could do their job. What they have is a rich background in playing the game (meh) and that’s why they are there. They are also highly replaceable and they know it and are shit scared of being found past it, boring, or god forbid, cancelled. So they suck the party line hook, like and sinker. What would they do if they got sacked, honestly? They can’t coach. Go on talk sport? They know this is it and they got it made, they’d rather go out to Qatar (oops) and kiss the ring than make a statement and lose their jobs.
I don’t mean this to shit on them, if you enjoy them that’s fine. But realise, hundreds of footballers retire every year and there are few jobs to be had. These two got the best ones out there but could be replaced with little annoyance in a minute if needed. They know it and are not about to put their jobs that they’ve worked hard to get on the line for anyone or anything.
Sky has got more audacious, it’s now about creating the perfect clip for TikTok and everyone plays an exaggerated caricature of themselves.
You say victim blaming and then say they are fouls incredible
No
“If you don’t score you hardly ever win” I’d like to hear more from punditry expert Michael Owen…is it voluntary ? Or do Sky Sports pay him for his tosh but amusing comments
Freddie Ljungberg had horrible takes on the Alisson fouls on Swedish media aswell.
It’s a contact sport, which has sadly been sanitised beyond recognition. Goalkeepers in particular get a ridiculous amount of protection; they don’t need more.
If you’re allowed to pull the goalkeeper’s arm and barge them to the ground I’d be telling my players to do it throughout the whole match. It’s a foul, some people get way too hung up on the “game going soft” and ignore really obvious fouls
Fair enough. But then you get outfield players doing the same to each other all game, so do we stop that too? We’ve already got rid of the tackle from behind (even poking the ball between the player’s legs), a lot of tackles from the side, 2 footed tackles no matter how safe, hard tackles, all but the tamest of shoulder barges…
Every single change is made to benefit attacking players. Not because of any general concern for footballer welfare, but because attacking players are more marketable and profitable for the game. After all, TV deals are sold by the likes of Salah, Haaland and Saka. Most replica shirts don’t have Casemiro, Caicedo and Hojbjerg on the back.
Does this hard-line on physical play make matches more entertaining, though? Not in my opinion. A mix of flair and grit works better for me. The classic Man United vs Arsenal matches – when Keane, Vieira, Stam and Keown kicked the shit out of each other, while Scholes, Henry, Giggs and Pires provided the skills – were peak Premier League.
Outfield players aren’t trying to grab the ball with their hands. The second a player interferes with the keepers hands/arms with their own, it’s a foul for me.
Outfield players use their feet and legs to control the ball. Should it be a foul every time there’s contact between players’ legs?
If they hooked someone’s leg out of the way with their own foot, then yeah.
Do you think Alvarez’ goal should have stood?
Do you mean Dias’ goal?
Whoever it was
Yeah, it should. Big lad like Allison shouldn’t be getting pushed around like that.
So you can pull a keepers arm when he goes to catch?
Not pull, no. But it pisses me off when a keeper (who has the innate advantage of being able to use his hands) goes up for the ball with an attacking player (who can only use his head), and the ref immediately blows his whistle despite there being minimal contact. Basically, all a keeper has to do is drop the ball, and they’re virtually guaranteed to be awarded a free kick.
So your annoyed at something else then and not what happened here
It’s hardly a pull. If Akanji’s light contact truly caused him to go down like a sack of shit, then Allison needs to toughen up. But I suspect that if the rules didn’t favour keepers, and there was no chance he’d be awarded a free kick, he would’ve shrugged it off.
Reminds me of the disallowed firmino goal against you lot
In this instance though alissons arm was clearly pulled down, reducing his reach so they correctly gave a foul